palmar is now done. tom brady done. manning is still playing on along with cam newton. i think nationally the broncos are going to be the sentimental favorite. first of all, they are the underdogs. every one routes for the underdog. and manning the underdog. >> crazy. we have been saying all year, that the broncos defense is terrific. not the '85 bears on the 20 ravens on the seahawks, but maybe they are. >> 2-15 on first down, that is really good defense. when you do things that set -- the most hits on any quarterback all season long. 20 hits today on tom brady, that puts you in the category. >> historic defense. >> historic-type defense, absolutely. >> you can make the case that maybe the '85 bears and the 2000 ravens are apples and oranges because the offenses have changed so much. it is such a passing offense, but i won't say that they're in the same category yet as the the broncos had the best offense of all-time and the seattle seahawks smoked them. so they have one more game before that category. >> call me a homer again, but last week we talked about, the best d