any tom, dick or harry can say they won a medal in vietnam, iraq or afghanistan even if they never spent one day in the armed forces, and he or she won't be punished for it. doug and pam stoerner are trying to change that. they make honoring real heroes their mission. they have not given up on the stolen valor act. it may go all of the way to supreme court. >> good morning. >> good morning. it's great to be here. you've seen these men and women doing their best to be the top gun and do the things they do, and we appreciate your honor of them and pointing out the frauds that detract from what they do. >> i appreciate that, doug. you know, you served in vietnam, and you saw firsthand how guys fought and survived and lived, the true heros that we're talking about. so, as you reflect back on your time in vietnam, and what you experienced, right now, when you see guys stealing honors like this, how does that make you feel? >> i try not to let it become personal. sometimes it does become personal, but, you know, this is much more than just lying. it's fraud, and almost always there's some kind of financial fraud going on behind it. >> pam, what about you? >> well, this was