i asked pam hendrickson, the coo of riverside what that might mean for her investments and firm goingrd. pam: when you think about some of the things that need to happen or that might happen, it is really hard to get things done. things do not move quickly. no government in the world short of a dictatorship can really move things along quickly. so let's talk about border tax. that came out and now there is a deluge of people going wait a minute, you can't do that. mary barra of general motors going, if i import the parts from china and assemble the car in detroit, what does that do to me? on deductibility of interest, you have really a lot of small businesses going, wait, this is how i have financed my -- the creation of my company. so the fact is to lower tax rates, you need to pay for it. the pay for it either needs to be interest deductibility or border tax. they have to get that done. or more reform, tax policy doesn't adjust that much. my suspicion is we get little r reform, not big r reform. jason: you have been to capitol hill as an advocate for the industry. how do you play ou