never seen the financials, he's got life insurance on her at work, she's got life insurance. >> pam hupphe was with betsy the day she died. they would save money and she would be closer to friends and her chemo treatment. but pam claims betsy was concerned about how russ would react to that idea. >> and she goes, i'm telling you right now, he's going to get very angry. she said he's tired of moving, he is staying in his house and that's it. >> so she already approached him with the idea? >> she was going to approach him when he came home. >> narrator: could that have set russ off? investigators asked him about that. >> she never mentioned that to me. >> she said she wanted to ta hao share with you when she got home. >> we never talked about that. >> narrator: investigators didn't believe that, especially when -- >> he would start playing this game of putting a pillow over her face to see what it would feel like, i don't know if she said, this is what it's going to feel like when you die or whatever and then act like he was kidding. she was very upset. >> did she sound scared? >> oh, yeah