paperwork related to the divorce of pamela phillips and gary triano >> at the time the name gary triano. >> but pam phillips, that was a name that crowley had heard before. he knew her as another aspen resident who claimed she had been ripped off by ram young. pam said ron had stolen money from her business, starbabies. com. >> did she have a case? >> we don't know because she never came back and refused to answer my calls after. >> so she originally came to you and made it complaints -- >> backed off, yes. >> i never told you? i >> know. >> reporter: their former nanny remembers that ron and pam seem close. pam would come over at least two or three times a week. and some nights, pam would cook for him, have romantic dinners with candlelight. and music. >> reporter: although, kevin says, ron didn't seem to be pam's type. >> he did not have any money. he was not a socialite. and that's why she generally went for. >> reporter: so what exactly was pans relationship with ron young? and why wouldn't pam cooperate with police? did you want to protect ron? or was she afraid of him? crowley did

gabby orr and pamela brown report since the first time the hearings started, no one is dismissing this. abby phillipo get you up to speed. earlier in the show, i interviewed trump's former acting white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney. i asked him about the description we heard from cassidy hutchinson about disengaging, trying to tell him about threats and he was sitting on the couch scrolling. here's part of what mulvaney said. >> i was texting with a colleague of mine who was in the west wing at the time, and i said look, was mark just completely incompetent or was he having a nervous breakdown, and the response was it was a little built of both. the west wing was clearly broken, clearly broken, and the testimony yesterday actually made me feel bad for some of the good people who were still there to have to work in that environment where the chief of staff was so obviously disengaged. >> in case you were not sure which of the guys with the last names that start with m who used to be white house chief of staff, that's the one who had the job before mark meadows. >> was mark completely incompeten