pamela sanfilippo: no.tedly, after the wedding was over, grant went upstairs and just fell on the bed and wept... william seale: mm-hmm. pamela sanfilippo: ... he was so upset that his daughter was leaving. william seale: well, the guy was a womanizer and drank a lot and spent a lot of money. and it was not happy. they had, what, four children? pamela sanfilippo: i think so. william seale: four? pamela sanfilippo: one died in infancy. william seale: and he died at 90 something. and she died later. susan swain: now, one of the things -- we've shown so many photographs of julia grant, and they're often from the side. one of our viewers is asking on twitter book -- twitter -- excuse me, facebook. william seale: "twitter book." susan swain: "twitter book" -- that -- that, "i read that mrs. grant was injured as a child and never saw straight again. was this true? and how did she stay so active and involved in the war?" pamela sanfilippo: i have read one instance where it was supposedly caused by an injury but my

pamela sanfilippo: yes.ctually, because grant was still head of the army after the war and then for a short while interim secretary of war. and then she talks about the receptions that he held, that they held, in their home in d.c. and that it was a natural progression then into the white house. pamela sanfilippo: (crosstalk) william seale: don't you think she was one of those women that attracted people, too? william seale: she was a personable woman and she cared about people. when someone had a hard time or something, she went to them. she was a -- she was a nice person. pamela sanfilippo: yes. william seale: and people were attracted to her. susan swain: one of the interesting stories that i read of the allusions to tensions between mary lincoln and julia grant. susan swain: julia grant would come during the war years, certainly sometimes with the general, but it seemed as though there was some bit of competition that mary lincoln might have felt. susan swain: let me read you just this one little paragra