when i walked off of that match, i was in a locker next to pancho gonzalez in the main locker room theiggest thrill of my life. winning that match right there told me that if i keep working, keep going at it the right way, keep listening, and keep being disciplined, then i have an opportunity. tavis: let me fast-forward way down the road, and then we'll come back, because i'm fascinated now by your comment a moment ago that later in your career you know what it felt like to be in his shoes. so what did it feel like years later when that was happening to you at the hands of these young guys? >> well, i went from looking for somebody where i could make my reputation to being a reputation-maker. the older you get, certainly -- as i got older, i became a situation player, so the bigger the situation, the better i would play. but to go out when you're 36, 37, 38-years-old and having a long match the day before and having those aches and pains, and playing against a young kid that's willing to do anything to go and to show his stuff and to get that reputation, it's hard work. but the older i