idea of having a separate woman's caucus in the black panther party called the panther rats -- pantherets, they were collected by structural part of the organization, a chief or captain with leadership structure and things like that or accountability structure but over time that fell apart over the question of not just being separate but unequal. many felt it was best to merge separate entities together. other chapters didn't even have that stage. there was a great book out there edited by jeffries of the black panther party and mobile communities that you can read about differences between the panthers in baltimore, panthers in milwaukee, panthers in new york, etc. so you can quit a local perspective. >> quite a few male panthers and former panthers spent decades in prison, locally, because of your emphasis, with long prison terms, speaking of eddie conway, local hero here started what includes community garden working with you. could you say more about the connection with the panther party and food justice issues? >> thinking, wants to raise the awareness of eddie marshall conway and hi