more with paolo scaroni next. ♪ ♪ >> paolo scaroni knows a thing or two about leadership.harge of one of the country's most popular football clubs and brings that experience to columbia business school's where he sits on the board. but what kind of leadership does it take to succeed in fields as disparate as energy and football? let's talk about italy's future. what will be the relationship between europe and italy five years from now? paolo: that is the most difficult question to ask me, because all of this will depend on italy and europe as well. europe should become charming again, not just a sum of rules to be applied. if europe becomes more charming, more appealing. more popular. then italy, and other countries, not just italy, would be closer. francine: is europe reforming itself? or are politicians around the world making the case, the benefits for being in the eu? paolo: you see, the point for me is that by choice of national government, we are building europe, which is not politically attractive. i was asking the other day, to a friend of mine, tell me, who was th