papadopoulos. carter page and flynn. he lured papadopoulos over to london for a meeting.a young woman with him. having a new young woman at a meeting that later invited papadopoulos to a separate meeting that's a recruitment tool. they were using aggressive tactics to look at papadopoulos and carter page and to general flynn. during the time, we call that tickling the wire. trying to get conversation you may overhere on your wiretap, in this case fisa. they didn't run this informant at the russian side of the rumors that they. they ran him at the trump side. they ran him -- and i have worked a lot of informants -- they ran him pretty aggressively and came up with nothing. >> richard, bobby said they were aggressive at the trump folks. a quote from the "new york times" that caught our eye. listen to this. mr. papadopoulos relied he had no insight into the russian campaign despite being told that the russian had dirt on mrs. clinton: would you feel the same way you do right now, i know you don't agree with some of the previous assessment. what if this was the obama campaign

, the australians, to have fbi agents sprfing papadopoulos.ome say that would have looked worse for the campaign when you have fbi agents interviewing people from the trump campaign. >> if the actual intent was to protect the campaign -- i worked on a competitive republican campaign. they did not operate like republicans before. that would at least flag for them things in other campaigns might have been looking for that they were not. they should have direct. they should have taken that route. i don't think you would have seen all of the problems for the fbi that have developed out of this circumstance if they had taken that route. >> time out here. if you're investigating a city council for corruption and you're trying to determine in podunk, indiana if there's corruption on the city council, do you go in and say, weld like to talk look into what's going on. we don't know, we would like to warn you. or would you say, there's something going on. to protect the civil good, we'll determine what's going on by wiretap or informant. the only differ

in papadopoulos at all. he thought he was some low level energy consultant. and upon learning he was actually associated with the trump campaign, that's when mifsud started to take interest in papadopoulos, according to special counsel robert mueller's court filings. now we don't know where mifsud himself got the information. that of course is the biggest question. there are a bunch of conspiracy theorys on the right now that says along with the book just released by his best friend that actually mifsud was a plant by western intelligence, of course that doesn't make much sense. >> no. >> because papadopoulos was indicted essentially for lying to the fbi about his conversations with mifsud, because at first he did not reveal the full extent of those conversations. he did not reveal the fact that mifsud did offer this dirt on the trump campaign. it didn't really add up to be some kind of bern intel. this is something where mifsud met papadopoulos, realized he was a member of the trump campaign and then kind o

george papadopoulos, 100 people again i was campaign manager for winning part of the campaign. i saw carter page on a different network tell the anchor i never met kellyanne conway. i don't know these two people. looks like they had some very tangentialal involvement with the campaign earlier on. maybe this happened then but i think that is very important to note which is, when the campaign team and structure changed and expanded in august, due to the president making his own decisions then, i mean the president offered me the campaign manager job, two of us together, august 12th it, was a friday. it was announced next wednesday. he hired somebody else in between that. if this happened to happen earlier on, if you're talking about page and papadopoulos, this is very important because this whole idea we're all there together, you saw what we were doing. we were out every day, we were very transparent with our strategy. president trump was doing six or seven big speeches a day toward the end. you know where he was. abby: kellyanne, get your thoughts on north korea. you were alrea

then origination 2.0 the george papadopoulos story a 20 something guy what hears from a guy who claims they have russian contact and have hillary clinton's e-mail and he's having a few drinks in an establishment with the top diplomat of australia in great britain. >> lou: papadopoulos is lesser known than carter page and suddenly talking to the highest ranking australian diplomat in the united kingdom. >> he may have shown him the pen from the model u.n. and that story kind of doesn't

somebody meeting with papadopoulos and carter page. >> he didn't know papadopoulos. he reached out to them. he didn't know carter page. >> that doesn't mean he was part in the campaign. >> he was reaching out to officials in the campaign. >> meetings with the campaign. which isn't the same thing as infiltrating. the president said in a tweet that if the doj is basically infiltrating a campaign for the ben fete of another campaign. that's a big deal. that's a big accusation. is that what the fbi or doj was doing? trying to help clinton? >> i don't know. let's find out. let get the information. >> the question is wa would you like the fbi to have done if they had concerns the trump campaign might be infiltrated? what should they have done? not meet with anybody. >> i don't know. they shouldn't continue with that investigation. my concern isn't what they should have done with the evidence. my concern is to date we have no evidence that that's true. and i challenge anyone to give evidence of collusion. if that's the case, how do you justify some of the activity of the se

papadopoulos and page were two of them.he fbi had reason to believe they were consorting with russians. this made them feel uneasy. when you say they ran an informant. i think if you had with the presidential candidate two of his five foreign policy advisers who have contacts that are suspicious with russians -- yes, they had that county of thing. if they had it with the mafia, is that something they would want to get to the bottom of? that's good law enforcement practice. we are talking to two guys that did this for a living. >> jeff, is this good law enforcement or surveillance that looks too political for an agency that says it doesn't do politics? >> well, i particular depends on where you are sitting. right now we have limited information. the information that came out today that you just briefed us on does talk about the fact that it has been stated that there was some information about russian contacts with the trump campaign that were a concern. i think it's interesting as to who might have provided that information

naturally, papadopoulos, given what he told the australian diplomat, was a focus. so too carter page who was already on the fbi radar screen. painful had just travelled to moscow to give a speech and while there sent a memo to alert campaign staff of the desire of the russian deputy prime minister to work together. now enter professor number two. he's a confidential source who cnn won't name. a retired amerituss professor at the university of cambridge. he's also a former white house official from the nixon, ford and reagan administrations. his relationship with u.s. intelligence dates back at least to 2012 when he began work with the pentagon think tank named the office of net assessment. this confidential source had himself recently met carter page at cambridge university at a political conference. he would subsequently have interaction with papadopoulos and sam clovis, three different representatives of the trump campaign. there is no evidence to suggest that the confidential source was a part of the trump campaign more anything to indicate he was ever imbedded

and you've got papadopoulos holding out russia contacts. you've got people trying to set up a meeting between the big guy and vladimir putin. and even the legal team seems to acknowledge that they don't know what they don't know. at this hour it's possible mueller knows more than they do. >> i can guarantee you mueller knows more than they do. this is a guy who in a methodical precise way, nicolle, has gone about collecting these facts, right? >> so what do you think he has? >> well, i wish i knew because the submarine only surfaces from time to time and we only get a glimpse of it. >> a submarine? >> it's a big submarine, but it's also a big ocean that it's patrolling. >> so, what do you think he knows? >> well, here's what i expect to see. i expect to see more indictments. certainly related to the hacking of the dnc. almost certainly related to conspiracy to interfere in our election processes in some way, and almost certainly involving other financial frauds. i mean, those are the signs we're getting, the signals we're getting right now.

he did the same thing with george papadopoulos, after he met withth sam clovis.en contacts george papadopoulos, offers him $3,000 to write a paper and come to england in august of 2016 and when papadopoulos is there, he starts pushing on him, asking him questions about what does he know about the russians, what does he know about emails. even at that point -- >> sean: why didn't they ask wikileaks? it did wikileaks have any proof? we do know thatik hillary clinton's server, andri the original draft of comey, said there were six foreign intelligence services that got into her email server. it could have been russia, china, north korea, iran, i'm just guessing. >> of course, that is what u.s. intelligence officials have said, there is no doubt that her server was infiltrated by foreign actors. why haven't -- >> sean: i want that information. america deserves that information. >> america deserves all the information including the documentation that opened up this investigation. that's what america deserves. >> sean: bingo. there's new york a "new york te out tonight

>>paul: we have the guilty pleas from michael flynn and george papadopoulos. they pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. they are cooperating. we don't know what they're telling mueller.perhaps there telling him about some grants conspiracy. so far, we haven't seen evidence of it. >> there's been four major indictments or guilty pleas of paul manafort and rick gates, michael flynn and george papadopoulos. the two latter as you mentioned are for lying. one of them is in doubt as to whether michael flynn lied to the fbi given recent evidence that's been released about the fbi agents that interviewed him. rick gates and paul manafort are being indicted for work they did years before president trump decidedfor to run for the presidency. none of this again related to russian collusion. >>paul: we are seeing the special prosecutor wandering far from the original russian story. as kim said, metaphor and gates really indicted for their ties to ukraine and doing business with ukraine. now it's moved to michael cohen and the payments to stormy daniels for her silence.and n

>> well, for papadopoulos he asked him to do a research report essentially. carter page, he met with carter repeatedly, but by carter's own admission he didn't find the meetings out of the ordinary or necessarily unusual. it didn't race suspicions among carter page. in fact, the contacts with carter in september 2017. >> adam, you also at the end of your piece tonight have a very provocative description about contacts between this same informant and general mike flynn, who went on to be trump's national security adviser and is now awaiting sentencing after having pled guilty in the special counsel's investigation. in 2014 you say this informant had met with mike flynn when flynn was rung the defense intelligence agency at the time. flynn attended the academy agency. according to people familiar with flynn's visit to the seminar, the source was alarmed by general flynn's apparent closeness with a russian woman who was also in attendance. the concern was strong enough that it prompted another person to pass on a warning to american authorities that flynn could

paul manafort and rick gates, michael flynn and george papadopoulos. the two latter as you mentioned are for lying. one of those is in some doubt as to whether or not michael flynn lied to the fbi, given recent evidence that's been released about the fbi agents whoce interviewed him. rick gates and paul manafort are being indicted for work they did years before president trump even decided to run for the presidency. so none of this, again, related to russian collusion. >> paul: we're seeing, dan, which i think you predicted, a lot of us predicted when this happened the special prosecutors now wandering far afield of the original russian story because manafort, gates, really indicted for their ties to ukraine and doing business with ukraine and now it's moved to michael cohen, donald trump's lawyer and the payments to stormy daniels for m her silence and now looking into his finances. does that pose a significant potential risk for trump? >> no question it poses a risk for trump. we've had experience with independent councils going to the reagan years.

the trump campaign op the outer peripheries of the trump campaign including carter page, george papadopoulos. they had conversations. that was something, as soon as they came out, the notion of an informant, the president seized on. >> the informant worried that the russians were weedling their way into our election. >> a counterintelligence investigation conducted by the fbi, knowing now what we know is true, that has been proven beyond all doubt, confirmed by the own intelligence community. all of the appointees of his community came out and said the russians interfered to help donald trump win. that is beyond dispute. the fbi had an early inkling in that and is trying to figure out real time what that consisted of and is trying to stop it. this is what this informant was supposed to be a part of. it was the most discreet thing they should have done. they conducted a relatively low key form of observation and tried to find out what was happening. president trump continues to make the argument that there was a conspiracy launched by the intelligence community and the law enforcement communi

during the twenty sixteen presidential election it was mueller favorites carter page and george papadopoulos were apparently the main targets of helpers' information gathering efforts page first contacted by halperin july had a conference in cambridge and later papadopoulos that september in london according to the daily caller page told the news organization that he had stayed in contact with alpert for the next fourteen months including virginia farm visits until september twenty seventh team around the time the surveillance warrant that had been taken out against paige was set to expire but but this isn't the first celeb first election spying go around for our good buddy helper no no no no no no no no for those not familiar how has been a deep state intelligence community operative for decades most notably as glenn greenwald observes for a long forgotten spying scandal involving the nineteen eighty election in which the regen campaign using cia officials managed by helper got caught running spying operation from inside the carter administration. and the bar buddy helper wasn't wearing eno

he said why not only by getting in touch with paige not only flying papadopoulos to. london where every flew and all expense paid but he wanted to get in and become a part of the truck campaign to increase his exposure and be able to yes spy from the real inside of the campaign so he's not an informant he was a spy in my view who was looking to get even further in bed to do more spock it was incredible no no there was a very big push to keep you know how from being exposed as the f.b.i. informant i mean we don't know for sure yet if he was we're pretty much all signs point to that he was the guy in fact democratic senator mark warner the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee exclaimed on twitter that attempting to unmask a confidential source was irresponsible and potentially illegal now given how present known history and involvement with the cia the f.b.i. has decades long career in the government it's not really a secret that the guy was in the house you know i mean it's not a that's not a secret how does that threaten national security right it doesn't

next thing we heard was papadopoulos. well, they didn't know about papadopoulos until july/august, right? this meeting, where they talk about carter page and the national security council happens according to them in late spring. now, what's happened before that, they'd be talking about carter page of all people in a national security council meeting? carter page joined the trump campaign on march 21st. manafort joined it on march 29th. doesn't look like there was anything there in the interim other than they have concerns about these people who have -- >> which gets you back to this question. there was a conversation, according to your report, that they said should we have a defensive briefing. should we call the trump campaign and say, look, let's put it on the table, here's what we know about carter page. you know, they attempted to recruit him at some point. then he ended up coming on to their side. russia tried to recruit him, and he came on to the intelligence side on the u.s. why did they not do that if they were s

papadopoulos of course has admitted to lying to the fbi.we are learning jared kushner has met with mueller's team for a second time. this interview happened last month and lasted seven hours. his prior interview was in november. april and the second one seven hours. this comeing as kushner's white house security clearance has been restored. he l he lost it in february. "outfront" now -- thanks to all. there's a lot happening here and a lot happening as we're speaking. so let me start with you. mueller's team says we're ready to sentence george papadopoulos, who's been cooperating and giving them information. they had a second meeting with kushner. it was seven hours long. does this mean mueller is getting close to wrapping up? can we get there with that? >> well, he's certainly getting close to wrapping up the papadopoulos piece of the investigation. remember that papadopoulos in his cooperation deal mentioned the supervisor who turn ee eed o be cm clovis. unless they come out with charges soon, i would expect that portion of his investigat

papadopoulos. what does that say to you? >> the way the government to be surveillance had to be under the foreign intelligence surveillance act. this is usually used to go after foreign intelligence agents for counterintelligence purposes. what i found surprising about this story that the fbi launched this investigation in summer of 2016 without any evidence that a crime had been committed. they were trying to stop russian intelligence agents from being involved with the trump campaign but the information that is really important is what information to the fbi and justice department used to go to federal courts to get this extraordinary surveillance? the story makes it seem like a fairly thin read. i am surprised the fbi would go on such a limb to get a pfizer -- fisa warrant. shannon: i want to read you something from a former federal prosecutor. the scandal of this whole thing is the fbi, lacking the incriminating evidence needed to justify a committal investigation decided to open a counterintelligence campaign with the b

george papadopoulos. never heard of him. the trump adviser that heard of. while drinking, they gossiped like mean girls and dirt on hillary clinton. downer alerted the australian intelligence agency that told their u.s. counter parts. four-way hearsay. this is massive. the times is confirming that the fbi used four-way hearsay to launch an investigation like we've been telling you on the program. their timeline doesn't match up and hearsay is never admissible never mind four-way hearsay in a court of law. so what "the new york times" is proving is we've been right the entire time and in the process of trying to cover up for their deep state friends and making excuses, they're exposing them. the times and the rest of the media have been trying to get ahead of what is a massive scandal and protect the likes of comey and somebody cake and strzok and lynch and page and everyone else. but they can't because the facts, the evidence, the truth is finally coming out. we have been promising you this. so far what we've been uncovering is only the beginning. this is g

it sounds like he met with papadopoulos, carter page and i guess sam clovis in some capacity. >> right>> overseas with carter page, according to the reporting by "the new york times," "the washington post" and also with papadopoulos, and basically asked questions that didn't seem to get many really answers. >> well, we don't know that. all we know is that he was sent to have contact with people in the middle of a campaign. i have to tell you, if this had happened to hillary clinton, the aclu would be jumping up and down the way they did when i was on the board of the aclu when undercover agents were put into the anti-war movement, into civil rights movement. all they were there was to listen, into muslim churches. civil libertarians are generally a little bit suspicious when undercover agents go just to ask questions. and i think we as civil libertarians ought to be suspicious of this. allay our suspicions and then we'll be fine. >> jeff, it didn't come out of nowhere. george papadopoulos, according to all the reporting, had already voiced and spoken to an australian official which is

they could have interviewed papadopoulos earlier, before they interviewed him in january. they had already interviewed but the flip side of that is they were worried it would leak. >> adam goldman, thanks very much. appreciate it. >> when we continue tonight, the latest on the planned summit between president trump and kim jong un seemed like a sure thing until it didn't. that's proudly particular. benjamin moore. the standard for paint professionals. only at local paint and hardware stores. proven to protect street skaters and freestylers. stops up to 97% uv. lasts through heat. through sweat. coppertone. proven to protect. and we got to know the friends of our friends.r the friends. and we found others just like us. and just like that we felt a little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that's going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. you won't find relief here. congestion and

legitimate concerns about this, i've got concerns about people who you just hired in march because papadopoulos,

what intelligence gathering. -- he was offered to pay papadopoulos a few thousand dollars to write a paper. >> yes -- >> that is what conforms to peers or spies do to try and broken people to cooperate. to george papadopoulos he seemed like a willing person. >> adam schiff is currently denying any wrongdoing. let me get your reaction to what he is saying. >> this claim by the presidents suggestion by giuliani that there is a political spine embedded in the trump campaign, you hear this in the same terms that donald trump often speaks. which is, people are saying or i am hearing or we are being told. that is another way to say that this is true but we would like to spread it anyway. >> is there a difference or is it just semantics between the fbi sending and informative talk to the individuals or the campaign? or are they both the same? >> well, in this case, these individuals have one common thread. which was, they were all involved in the campaign. while two of them you might be able to characterize as volunteer advisors you cannot say that about the comanager of the campaign. there

. >> papadopoulos was the lowest level person, and supposedly overseas and peppered several times toabout russia. i don't have anything according to the new york times. >> the informant was clearly annoyed by the fact that papadopoulos was denying i'm not involved with the russians. >> he was dragged through the mud, how many times was his name thrown out and someone supposedly has this information in the new york times is saying the informant was annoyed because papadopoulos wanted to write a research paper, $3000 to look at oil prospects. >> stranger and stranger. >> back to the horrific scene where a gunman opened fire, so troubled he was even building bombs in his own home. how were the warning signs missed? a panel of experts to figure out how to prevent another crisis like this next. when you combine ancestry's dna test with its historical records... you could learn you're from ireland donegal, ireland and your ancestor was a fisherman. with blue eyes. just like you. begin your journey at ancestry.com i no wondering, "what if?" uncertainties of hep c. i let go of all those feel

he's going to talk to people. >> papadopoulos thought he'd keep quiet and that was his mistake. let me ask you about the book, professor. >> yeah. >> this book is a really great and pretty digestible walkabout what impeachment means and where it comes from, it comes with a note of political caution from you that, one, democrats shouldn't be rushing down the road of impeachment. you give an interesting take on what you think might qualify as a high crime or misdemeanor, the threshold for articles of impeachment and you say abuse of power may be something that has to be focused on. take us through the case. >> well, the basic point and it's clear from what the framers said at the very beginning and it's clear in the history of the impeachment power is that it's really about abusing the authority that we give to high officials like the president. it's not about garden variety crime. if it turns out, as i wouldn't be surprised to find, that donald trump has been guilty of tax evasion, that may be a crime, but it's not an impeachable offense. on the other hand, if donald trump uses t

our country failed george papadopoulos and his family.page, you know, didn't take the bait and he's a gentleman about it but what happened, may end up being a great big misunderstanding but lou it could also be the keys to the kingdom of god, and i was shocked that nobody from any of the investigations wanted to know anything about it and now that the president, i understand the skepticism and the inspector general and the doj but i was impressed with his report about scott mccabe so i'm a bit optimistic about this inspector general and what he'll do and people were kind of hard on the president about this thinking it was a half step but it's something happening immediately now. i'm actually able to my attorney is sending a letter to the inspector general asking for an appointment i'm hoping it happens in the very short term. if the president had demanded another special counsel, we might have been waiting months. i'm really optimistic about this and i think the president's move this weekend demanding that investigation was an absolute ma

word that the special counsel's team is now ready for former trump adviser george papadopoulos to betenced. let's go to our crime and justice reporter, shimon prokupecz. what are you learning? >> it clearly indicates that prosecutors and special counsel seem to be kind of done with george papadopoulos. they just filed this within the last hour saying they are ready for him to be sentenced. they're asking the court to order an investigative report. this is standard practice in these kind of cases where they complete a report that then goes to the judge and the judge will ultimately decide what his sentencing will be. keep in mind he's been cooperating for some time with the special counsel. but the fact that now these prosecutors are telling the court that we are now ready for him to be sentenced indicates that his cooperation is pretty much complete. it doesn't mean they're completely done with him but it seems to indicate that the information he has been providing has now probably no longer needed and he is essentially done with his cooperation. >> let's bring in dana bash. this is

after that, they open theo investigation, and only after that do they talk to downer about papadopoulosso the truth is -- >> sean: the guy that got drunk? >> the dossier, the fictitious dossier that triggered the hoax the hoax. >> sean: i can't say this enough, joe digenova, the clinton bought and paid for dossier created by a foreign national, foreign nationals are not supposed to impact the elections, unless it's obama trying to defeat -- and accuses russian lies, never verified, used to obtain a fisa warrant, they don't tell the fisa car they did not verify it, corroborated, four times that impact this was paid for by hillary. >> sean, obviously, it's been on for sometime. we've been talking about it for more than a year. part of the brazen plot, which included exonerating hillary clinton illegally, and then if donald trump won, to figure out a way to frame him. the fbi and the senior doj officials and john brennan and james clapper and james comey set up out on a to frame donald trump and the people in his campaign. they used all sorts of means and methods to do that. including the

who pled guilty, george papadopoulos, mike flynn, this is part of mueller's probe, not specifically connected all of them to the president. >> michael flynn ultimately and rick gates during the campaign, some of these questions -- would they have questions to the block number? he would know who that block number is? >> i would think so. if it's knowable, i think he would know it, sure. we don't know whether it's knowable, but if it's knowable, i think bob mueller will know it. and we should presuppose that with all of these questions. bob mueller has a lot of information. he's formed an opinion about sort of the time line or the essential core facts which he believes to be true. and now he's going to ask the president for his opinion about each of them. i don't think this is in any

george papadopoulos and jared jared kushner. and did russia actually affect the outcome of our election? one of the nation's foremost intel chiefs made that very claim tonight. as "the 11th hour" gets under way on this wednesday evening. good evening. from our nbc headquarters here in new york. day 489 of the trump administration. hours from a critical briefing about classified documents brokered by the white house amid the president's latest efforts to undercut and discredit the russia investigation while also attacking federal law enforcement. more on that meeting in a moment. because we want you to hear how the president is now branding what he alleges was an attempt by federal law enforcement, our own team, to infiltrate and illegally conduct surveillance on his 2016 campaign. all evidence thus far to the contrary. >> a lot of bad things have happened. we now call it spygate. you're calling it spygate. >> originally, two republican house members were slated to join the fbi and the national intelligence directors along with a

and papadopoulos is not the easiest last name to spell. so they've now gone back to the campaign and asked them to try to look at different iterations of his spelling. but that final little link between papadopoulos and when he passed things along about the overtures from russia, to sessions, to manafort, to anyone on the committee, has yet be to filled in, at least based on publicly available information. so something like that would be really key to make a final link joining europe and russia to the united states. >> it's not that easy to spell if you're not greek. let's put it that way. i'm greek so i feel like i got a good handle on spelling it. but that's just me. >>> rex tillerson has something to say now that he's out of the administration. you'll want to hear it. it's next. and we got to know the friends of our friends. then our old friends from middle school, our mom, our ex and our boss joined forces to wish us happy birthday. then we discovered our uncle use to play in a band. and realized he was young once too. and we found oth

lured him paid for a trip for him to come to london and then and papadopoulos didn't know who this guy was basically and then when he got there and he was meeting with them said so you know all about the hacking of the russian e-mails right and he said no i don't know what you're talking about and not only did he meet with papadopoulos and and carter page we both are subsequently in trouble with the muller but he also tried to get the cochairman of the truck campaign to enlist him hire him as a foreign policy advisor so he was trying to get inside the campaign right there for all to see never of course telling him he's investigating anything so to me that's a spy now the intelligence community has been desperate to conceal the informants identity which we've already discussed who it is they claim that they could be lives at risk now is this is this a cover up you know given the fact that stuff and how what he has previous is well known is reported reading in new york times nine hundred eighty three said that he's done this before on another occasion it was for the reagan campaign is th

they could have taken more overt steps or interviewed papadopoulos earlier.ter page again. so i think there were discussions about whether they should take steps to do these interviews but they were worried they would leak. >> thanks very much. i appreciate it. >> the latest between the plan summit. next. ♪ ♪ keep your most valuable insights hidden from your competitors. the ibm cloud. the cloud for smarter business. the ibm cloud. at t-mobile, we don't just see uniforms. we see the people behind them. so we're committed to helping veterans through job training when their service ends... and to hiring 10,000 veterans and military spouses to be part of our workforce in the next 5 years. because no matter where you serve... or when you serve... t-mobile stands ready to serve you. so we provide half-off on all family lines for military. >>> the trump administration is still trying to figure out what north korea men when the lead negotiator said his country wouldn't uni laterally give up the nuclear program if the sues trying to drive them into a corner as the no

carter page, george papadopoulo papadopoulos, and who's the other? >> jesse: flynn and manafort. >> juan: no, there was another one. >> jesse: either way, you talk to the campaign people. >> juan: the point is nobody was embedded and what you have is a legitimate investigation of the idea that russia is interfering in an american election and they don't launch, by the way, a criminal investigation. they do a counterintelligence investigation. all they are doing is trying to find out what's going on. the thing that concerns me, and i picked up on this, i think it's what sally yates was talking about. we rely on our intelligence people, and if you start doubting them, this comes from christopher wray, you do that, you put the american people, you put the american public at great risk if we can't protect our agents. >> greg: they made it pretty clear who he was in a number of ways. if they really did care, and they would have been fair about this and they would have dealt with both campaigns. they are saying now oh, the russians were more interested in

we have papadopoulos. his lawyers can prep him for these open-ended questions.goes into this interview and he starts talking the way he usually talks, which is veer very quickly into exaggerations, into falsehoods, into lies, whether he's going to ultimately be caught out by some piece of information that bob mueller knows because michael flynn has gwynn him some kind of evidence on this or rick gates, it's a very tricky situation for president trump to go into. and how do you prep president trump into this kind of situation, don? you know how he is. he's not someone who sticks to a script. he's someone who can get very proud and very defensive, and he can say things. >> -- that's his personality. >> and his lawyers are arguing, do this in writing, we can vet it. but then you catch him out and say what have you got to hide? why are you afraid to sit down. bill clinton sat down with ken starr. what do you have to hide? and they may be able to essentially goad him into a very difficult situation. >> you talked about the people who pled guilty, george papadopoulos,

we know he made $3,000 and asked papadopoulos to do a report, but there are a lot of the questions, i it like you do, liz. we don't really know -- >> it's trust but don't verify, trust us. >> i don't trust them but not ready to conclude it's spy-gate. we need a lot more information, and the question you asked and brad spoke to is who in the obama administration knew? did they sign off? liz: did obama know? >> it's a fair question. i think we should get an answer. liz: i'd like both your reactions to the "new york times" reporting what doug essentially encapsulated so beautifully. here's what the "new york times" said -- . liz: first to you, brad, have you ever seen anything like this, in your being an expert and watching presidential campaigns, have you heard of this? >> no, never heard of this type of government intervention, if the shoe were othe other foot and found theovernment was intervening in the hillary campaign, there would be hell to pay. and the democrats would be requesting special counsels and prosecutions. look, there isn't even this kind of dirty shenanigans going on w