without question, papyruses, attacks on a mass -- piracy, attacks on ambassadors, we know that those for internal norms in 1789. you seem to be suggesting that if a frenchman attacks and english ambassador in switzerland, that case would never be heard in the united states because there is no nexus to the united states, is that correct? >> well, if nobody ever came to the united states. >> it is not -- the connection is not an on \ off switch. >> why is the presence not allowed to enter the united states a connection? >> well, if it is an individual perpetrator we think that it is because of the direct perpetrator. >> i think torture has to be --

without question, papyruses, attacks on a mass -- piracy, attacks on ambassadors, we know that those for internal norms in 1789. you seem to be suggesting that if a frenchman attacks and english ambassador in switzerland, that case would never be heard in the united states because there is no nexus to the united states, is that correct? >> well, if nobody ever came to the united states. >> it is not -- the connection is not an on \ off switch. >> why is the presence not allowed to enter the united states a connection? >> well, if it is an individual perpetrator we think that it is because of the direct perpetrator. >> i think torture has to be -- >> torture is done by hiring torture, inc. ok? he heard the question. i need an answer to the specific hypothetical. everything is the same except the torture is carried out by torture, and ink. by actual question is about aiding and abetting. the first part is they do it directly. can they bring it or not, in your view? >> they are the direct my letter of a norm then yes, they can. >> if it is aiding and abetting? >> if it is a foreign corp