he really... >> hinojosa: paquito d'rivera. >> yes, paquito d'rivera, great cuban saxophonist. he introduced me to a lot of music, playing venezuelan waltzes, playing old contradances. and the desire... a lot of the desire to combine folkloric material with traditional rhythms, with latin american song forms, with jazz, is something that was fascinating to me. >> hinojosa: how did you know that it was jazz for you? how did you know that... jazz? i mean, you could have, you know, ended up playing in an orchestra, you could have... what was it? what is it about you understanding that jazz is your musical expression? >> well, the first thing was i noticed from early on, and my father, too, i really love changing things, twisting things around. and i would learn something, and i would change it around. i love the freedom, the spirit of creativity that i felt, you know? i loved the spontaneity. i loved that in jazz. i love that through that exercise, you actually exercise values to be a better human being, to know yourself better. >> hinojosa: that's... people are like, "wait a seco