to michelle's left, parametha shay of the national lawyers guild. next to her, betsy cav endish, the general counsel to muriel bowser, then to bet si's immediate left, tom manger. he's the chief of police for the montgomery police department and also the president of the major cities chiefs association, so we're looking for him to wear a couple of hats in this program, too. to tom's left, chad highs el from the department of justice. chad will be bringing us the toj perspective. then tracy short, the principal legal advisor for ice in the department of homeland security. so he'll be our second government speaker this morning. and at the -- no pun intended -- far left, michael nifak. he's a principal in the region of jackson lewis, p.c. he's former general counsel of i.c.e. so i'm looking forward to his opportunity to reflect coming both from the private practice side and the government side to round out our discussion. so our -- we probably messed up the seating order, if not the --? >> no problem. >> introduction order. our planner is to have brief