attorney is in court without you there, those are court events, but a lot of times -- i don't want to paraphase, but someone dismissive they could be minor events. but on the flipside, couldn't they be major events when you are not defending them and for the events that you are not there and the district attorney is there, you would be able to extrapolate one way or another and maybe we could talk about how to do it an average of time spent or how serious those masters matters are? is that correct? >> if we say that you as supervisors only get time for in chambers and that is all. we would not accurately gauge your workload. so the only way to determine the actual numbers of hours worked on a case is to look at the number of hours that it takes to work on the case and not by looking at simply how many times you showed up to court on a case? and the reality is that just because you show up in court on a case 20 times doesn't mean that you worked 20 times as hard as the person who showed up one day. i'm just saying it's not an accurate way to predict anything. what does showing up to court predic