you still want to pardon? do you deserve a pardon? thank you. yeah. yeah i, i need a pardon. you know, as soon as i got home without even applying for one, governor terry mcauliffe of virginia offered me a pardon. and a courier came to my house with a big certificate with a gold seal on it. and he reinstated my voting rights, which was a wonderful, generous, and kind of thing to do on forever and under the very appreciate sion. thank you. of a governor mcculloch, but i need a federal pardon for my gun rights back, and i'm not a gun, not, but i, i missed my gun. yeah. and i want it back. and my federal pension, which i need to live, if i don't get that pension back, i'm going to have to work until the day i die. you're literally after 20 years of federal service. i like to think that i do. and again, you were a person that told the truth about something we'd always worth it. it's always worth it. yeah, we would do it again in a heartbeat. today, i would do it again today. thank you rich, thanks john. to help them and then thank you for joining us. uh, this is one of those stor

not pardoning him. historically, what was the right thing to do? he shouldn't have pardoned him. if ford hadn't pardoned nixon, we might be in a different place today. so i don't think indulging known criminality in an ex-president can possibly be defended. - help me understand at throughline. how do you see the throughline from nixon to trump? - there was something quite extraordinary about nixos malfeasance, about the cover up, about sending guys out to do his illegal bidding, making lists of his political enemies and then acting on that. and the way in which the pardon... it's not that nixon was never held accountable. he resigned. but the pardon was really meaningful. and so i guess, you know, if i'd been an adult at that time, i would've wanted ford to pardon him because i would've wanted the political stability. i would have wanted the country to move on. what's easier to see from our vantage is what the cost of that pardon was. what it meant to say you will not ultimately be held criminally accountable. - you're the director of a project called amend, which has cataloged e

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makes those investigations go away, can pardon himself, can pardon his friends. there. >> correct. correct, because the president -- you know, federal and state is different, and so the feds have no control over the state. a president cannot pardon you for a state crime. >> he's got a lot of legal problems, tim. >> yeah. >> this is probably going to be four indictments by the time we get into the fall. you no longer represent him. any interest in going back? he needs a lot of legal help. >> it's a complicated situation that he has there, and, you know, there's reasons why i left. you know, would i possibly go back? i would consider it under certain circumstances. >> we appreciate you coming and helping us understand this very unique world that is the trump it.al defense fund and all of thank you so much for joining us.ally appreciate it. >> tha. >> and make sure to tune in tonight. anderson cooper breaks down the criminal investigation of former president trump in georgia. a new episode of "the whole story" airs at 8:00 eastern on cnn. >>> and coming up, an ameri

we need to be willing to use the pardon power. it will be done on a case-by-case basis because i'm a governor who actually has had to look at these things. but we will be issuing pardons, and that will be determined based on the facts and circumstances at the time. >> we know the u.s. government reads the private communications of american citizens by the tens of billions without a warrant. everyone knows this. it has been revealed. no one has moved to stop it. do you think there is a good reason to allow this? how can that be? >> the federal government has a responsibility to protect us from foreign threats. we will have intelligence capabilities overseas, but to turn those on our own citizens, especially with this government's behavior, is totally untenable. i'm going to go in and declassify or put as much stuff out as i can. i think you guys have a right to know things that happened 60, 70 years ago that the government kept under wraps. obviously things that are more recent, but my default will be that they will have to have a

could a president pardon himself?ted that issue that didn't have to reach fruition at the justice department when president nixon was under investigation by archibald cox, and then he was fired. and then there was a special prosecutor, leon jaworski, and there were worries, is president nixon going to pardon himself in to prevent a prosecution? there was no clear recognition whether there would be any obvious conflict of interest that would prevent that pardon from being effective. it's unknown territory. it is possible that if president trump were elected, he could pardon himself and move all of these cases off the docket. because you can issue a pardon even before an indictment, not only after indictment. those are the stakes when it comes to the rule of law, at least as a possibility. i underscore, it is unconstitutional terrain right now. folly: uncharted territory. scott lucas, trump still holds a commanding lead over his announced primary opponents. could that change? who or what do you see as his biggest challe

president, are you considering pardoning your son? are you considering pardoning your son? >> reporter: while president biden didn't answer, the white house press secretary did. >> is there any possibility that the president would end up pardoning his son? >> no. >> reporter: hunter biden, once again living in a legal limbo, under investigation for five years, and that plea deal negotiated for months by his lawyers and a trump-appointed lead prosecutor now in doubt, after federal judge maryellen noreika, also appointed by trump, refused to sign off on it yesterday. today, the terms of that deal were revealed. "politico" obtaining a copy of it, and a source authenticating it for abc. the document describes the huge sums hunter biden was earning from his overseas business dealings in ukraine, china, and romania, noting that hunter continued to earn handsomely and spend wildly, making some $2.6 million in 2018 alone, spending almost all of it that year while in the throes of addiction. the key problem that led the judge to derail the deal, paragraph 15, immunity. where prosecu

in other words, who would bring a lawsuit challenging his own pardon? there are all sorts of complicated questions about who could even bring a lawsuit, challenging a presidential pardon like that. all of that will get sorted out by the supreme court, if that day ever arises. >> neil: man oh man oh man. tom, you are the best. appreciate it. >> thanks, neil. >> neil: francesca is joining us usa today white house correspondent. francesca, back to the other legal issues that are maybe bubbling up for president biden, regarding his son hunter, obviously republicans want this expanded and maybe given this collapsed plea deal this past week it will be expanded. justice department investigation will be expanded, if there's a special counsel, then everyone starts looking into the president's relationship, business or otherwise with his son. so where do you see that going? >> well, earlier this week, we heard house g.o.p. leadership say that they could open an impeachment inquiry into the president down the line, but not directly committing to doing so, just say

perry asked for a pardon too, i'm sorry.tempted overthrow of a democratic election by himself. he had a cabal of house republicans as his congressional henchmen and he rallied them at the white house a few weeks before certification just to make sure they were all on the same page. those 11 republicans and many more in the house were trump's happy little warriors until hundreds of deranged maga supporters stormed the capitol looking for blood, forcing them and their staffers to flee. today, these people who literally ran from trump supporters are running towards trump and ditching the oath they took to uphold the constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic. foremost among them is house speaker kevin mccarthy who went from being tired of trump to just being tired of justice. >> i have had it with this guy. what he did is unacceptable. nobody can defend that and nobody should defend it. >> i think the american public is tired of this. they want to see equal justice and the idea that they utilize this to go after thos

>> i would pardon him.d to be our next president and, yes, i do believe i will move us forward. i think one of the right ways to do that is to pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a politicized prosecution. i'll share a view with you, is kasie. our general norm is you should not prosecutor somebody of a process crime without evidence of -- >> you think destroying evidence is a process crime? >> it is a process crime. any legal scholar will agree that is definitely a process crime. it would not have existed but for the existence of an investigation. if we look ourselves in the mirror over the last several years and the acquittals, i think it's a bad habit our fbi and d.o.j. have gotten into, intervening and creating crimes that would not have existed but for their actions. i absolutely think the right answer for the country is to put the grievances of the past behind us, to pardon president trump so this we can move forward as one nation rather than marching to a national div

watch here. >> um, pardon me? and it funds priorities submitted. >> just say aye. >> okay.tein's office released a statement calling the session a little chaotic and said she was preoccupied and did not realize the debate had ended and a vote called. democratic congressman from texas refused to drink water for 8 hours on tuesday while standing on the steps of the capitol building here in steamy washington. greg kosar whose district includes parts of austin and san antonio led the protest signed by new law texas governor greg abbott blocking local ordinances that mandate water breaks for workers. yesterday, more than 100 democrats signed a letter to president biden asking for federal workplace heat safety regulations. it is hot out there. up next, the fight over florida's new public school curriculum, which battles back against progressivism. ♪ i'm a retired school librarian. ♪ and a grandmother of two. basically, i thought that my memory wasn't as good as it had been. i needed all the help i could get. i saw the commercials for prevagen. i started taking it. and it helped!

do you think the president would not pardon him? >> well, there was that moment in the white house which was most comical, where jean- jean-pierre -- a spokesperson, just two days previous had a clear falsehood about prior notes. they said there was no chinese money that wants to his son. his son just said there was. the president who previously for years -- no knowledge of the business dealings. bordered on the comical. it's not clear what it would take to get the president to this, i would call the break to glass moment. we have had presidents use the pardon power for friends, bill clinton being the most obvious with his half-brother. i think the question for the white house is can this be fixed? when i use that term, i use it broadly. there is an effort to fix this case. the fix fell apart, and they are trying to fix that. they have 30 days to do it. >> harris: how hard will it be to get another plea deal? the other included that blanket immunity. i think it was on page 15. is it hard to get another immunity deal for hunter biden

is there any possibility that the president would end up pardoning his son?l is there. >> i just said no. i just answered. >> so thank you, both. and it's my -- as my mother would say. god love you. thanks. see you all. [applause] [reporters shouting questions] are you going to pardon your son? >> todd: let me just say if he doesn't win re-election and his son is convicted, there is zero chance he will not pardon his son on his way out the door. we know that we don't even have to ask that question other than to have this tape of them to say no to have them use against predecessor. >> lawrence: i'm more struck about the arrogance of the white house right now. >> joey: how dare you ask. >> lawrence: how dare you ask. let's not forget current impeachment inquiry going on right now and the white house is beating their chest and they feel like they don't have to answer any questions from the american people. the only people asking questions is fox in the prime minister. you would think there would have been one question from the outside mainstream media about the

if these folks are charged, charged but if they're convicted, he cannot pardon them.ll some of them testify? are there documents, emails, back to the white house or the rnc. >> he can't pardon them because they're state charges. >> not federal charges, so this starts on the state level, but it may fit into the federal case, but big picture, no pardons for these people. >> it's been reported in georgia in the ajc i read several times there's up to eight of these electors that have decided to cooperate out of i believe 16. yeah, all the stories going back and forth, these are serious charges but i think it plays to the political problem we have. this type of scenario playing out does not win the middle. we can't wing the white house as republicans if we don't win the middle. >> and brian kemp says you can't win the white house if you don't win georgia. we'll see what that looks like, geoff, david, jamie, thank you all. >>> the further we get from january 6th and what happened that day, the more donald trump has tried to essentially whitewash what happened, but it's impo

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>> -- is to move on and i would pardon him. i intend to be our next president, and yes, i do believe i will move us forward, and i believe one of the right ways to do that is pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a polit politicized persecution. i think that the general norm in our justice department is you should not convict somebody of a process crime when there was no actual underlying crime. i think that's a major -- >> so you think destroying evidence is a process crime? >> i think it is -- by definition a process crime. nobody left, right, any legal scholar will agree with me on that statement. that is by definition a process crime. a crime that would not have existed but for the existence of an investigation. >> okay. >> if question look ourselves in the mirror over the last several years, even look at the acquittals in the gretchen whitmer case, the fact that two people were acquitted of entrapment, it's a bad habit that our fbi have gotten into, inventing crimes that would not have exist

and a pardon is act salute and forever.re unable to do that. even though donald trump is a person with no shame and no recognition or value to the laws, i do think that the reality of nixon having been held accountable might have sent a message to him that would have had him under control, would've had him listening to his lawyers who said, you can't do these things. it would have made a difference. do i think it makes nixon look like a choir boy? no. i often think it is worse because i did not feel that democracy was at stake during watergate. i feel democracy is at stake now. i think the big problem is really fox news and all the other social media that have created this environment of alternative reality. that is what the real problem is, there are millions of people who actually believe the blatant lies and do not pay any tension to what are facts. you laid them out. we had 60 cases thrown out but there was no fraud in the election. but people still believed the election was stolen because donald trump says it loud and

do you think that warrants an investigation because the maximum of the law is that accepting a pardon his pardon is he reminded everyone that that was an admission of guilt from the president and in that case it was a form of closure, that he had to admit his guilt. these people are admitting guilt. what do you think should happen? >> in the congressional side, there can be ethics things. we have asked every one of these people to come talk to us. there own institution they believe in the investigative power of, they have refused to come in. they are going to say, we wanted a pardon because of the left-wing media and we thought there was going to be a witch hunt. you don't seek a pardon unless you think you committed a crime or you are concerned that maybe you committed a crime. that is one of the things cassidy made a point of yesterday. the discussions in the white house leading to january 6th saying we may have a problem, they knew what they were doing. these republican members of congress new and they need to be shamed for it, in very least. [cheers and applause] >> stephen: when

>> i would pardon him. -- i intend to be our next president, and yes, i do believe i will move us forward and one of the right ways to do that is to pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a politicized prosecution, and i will share a view with you, kasie. this is not specific to trump. this is part of my broader view of the justice system in our country and i think the general norm in the country is you should not convict someone of a processed crime when there was no actual underlying crime. >> so you think destroying evidence is a processed crime? >> think by definition a processed crime. nobody left, right, any legal scholar will agree with me on that statement. that is by definition a processed crime. a crime that would not have existed, but for the existence of an investigation and if we look at ourselves in the mirror and look at the acquittals and the fact that two people were acquitted in entrapment and i think it's a bad thing that doj and fbi have gotten into, interv

but, big picture, no pardons for these.been reported in georgia -- in the abc ajc -- eight of these fellow electors that have decided to cooperate, out of, i believe 16. yeah, all the stories going back and forth, and the mountains of information going out there, these are real charges. and i think it plays to the political time that we have. this type of scenario playing out does not win in the middle, and we can't win the white house as republicans if we can't win the middle. >> and brian kemp says you can't win the white house if we don't win georgia. we'll see what it looks like. jeff duncan, david axelrod, jamie gangel -- the more donald trump has tried to, essentially, whitewash what happened. but it's important to remember, people died, police officers were brutally attacked, and one of those officers will join me next. morning. ♪ ♪ life after student debt is within reach. refi at sofi.com. you could save thousands and get to your goals faster. sofi. get your money right. ♪ the only thing i regret about my life is th

because you've already seen people promising pardons. and so, again, you've got candidates that are misusing the power of the presidency, you've got candidates that are undermining our rule of law and our justice system. and you've got to let this play out. and then we'll see what happens down the road. matt: are you concerned about foreign influence in u.s. elections and the influence of foreign media entities on the electorate? gov. hutchinson: yes, i am. whenever you see the ability of foreign governments to utilize social media, to manipulate information that goes to the american public, obviously whenever you have the level of attention that americans pay to social media, well, that's an avenue that you're going to have foreign influence. and the best anecdote to that is information to the american public, versus censorship that can cross over to u.s. citizens. and so it's a challenge for us as a society and as always challenges are -- have to be met by our citizens and our voters. and to realize that risk is out there. whenever we

this man does not deserve the pardon, the pardon is an extraordinary gift that the president of the uniteds should apply only in cases where clemency is deserved. where mercy is deserved. donald trump tried to burn down this country, and i'm sorry. if you are a republican candidate, you could be running any other point, but if you'll say you pardon donald trump or even consider it, then i think you're just qualifying the minds of most americans. and ron desantis has already been doing that by claiming all of these investigations are illegitimate. and as pertinent correctly points out, as he has collapsed in the national world, the knives are coming up for the guy in florida. so you're going to end up with donald trump having florida as a secure base for himself in the republican primary, despite all of these troubles. >> all right. ferdinand amadi, thank you so much. rick, a glutton for punishment, he's sticking around for a meeting of the -- club. next, one of trump's favorite fast times, stretching the truth. let's come back to bite him in all of these investigations? and later, the cost

and so i have great respect for the pardon power. i utilized that as governor of arkansas, and i accomplished with it mercy in some cases, justice in other cases and giving people a fresh start in other instances. and i have some guidelines that i followed. and so it's not that never will it ever be considered because you don't know the outcome of the case in court. but but if you start dangling or promising as some candidates do i will do this, then why in the world is a jury even called? i mean, why do they have to go through that? you're undermining the jury, and you're going to give those jurors in there throw the up their hands and say, well, why are we even bothering with this because you've already seen people promising pardons. and so, again, you've got candidates that are misusing the power of the presidency. you've got candidates that are undermining our rule of law and our justice system. and if you've got to let this lay -- play out, and then we'll see what happens down the road. >> are you concern about foreign influence

>> sandra: this was the moment on pardoning his son.the briefing. i know you said not a lot has changed since yesterday. it's a personal matter. from a presidential perspective, is there a chance the president could pardon his son? >> no. i just said no. >> john: so write that one down. we may need to re-visit it at some point. >> sandra: that was news. we have a lot of it. >> john: there's a lot of, you know, 11th hour pardons on the way out the door. if we got to that point, i wouldn't rule it out. >> sandra: a few interesting moment. john, great to be with you. i'm going to be on "the five" tonight with that crew. so tune in for that. and join us again tomorrow. set your dvr. never miss "america reports." i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'll see you tonight on "special report" filling in for bret. "the story" starts right now. gillian turner is in for martha. >> hi, guys. thank you. good afternoon from washington. i'm gillian turner in for martha maccallum. right now former president trump is facing a third indictment. we're keeping an ey

>> would you commit to pardoning him on any federal charges against him?to do what's right for the country. i don't think it would be good for the country to have an almost 80-year-old former president go to prison. >> so that the. yes >> it doesn't seem like it would be a good thing. and i look at ford pardoned nixon, took some heat for it, but at the end of the day, do we want to move forward as a country, or do we want to be mired in these past controversies? >> so as the general election message to the country after going through what will probably be a very difficult primary and general election with donald trump. >> first of all i don't think ron desantis will be making that. he has no shot at this nomination. he gets weaker by the day. if you wants to get some traction apparently get the base excited you should commit some crimes. maybe knock over a liquor store. rob a bank. so before felonies right now. runners in his has none. so excited attack on georgia. maybe you'll get the people. the idea of pardoning will we're gonna move on so imagine that

. >> one thing we know, the president won't pardon his season. this testy exchange yesterday after the president ignored that question when it was posed to him at an event. >> going back to the first question. you said yesterday was a personal matter. from a presidential perspective, any possibility that the president would end up pardoning his son? >> no. >> is there -- >> i just said no. i answered. >> officials here will not say whether the president has been in touch at all with his son's legal team. they insist his case is being handled independently by the department of justice. gillian? >> thanks, jacqui. >> thanks. >> let's bring in texas republican congressman pat fallon. what do you make about the latest claims from your colleagues that hunter biden did indeed accept money and payment from chinese or at least chinese-owned companies contradicting what president biden has said in the past? >> well, gillian, that's a fact now. we know that. i find it interesting that when joe biden was a candidate, he said his son never accepted any money

if donald trump is president, i might get pardoned, probably likely get pardoned.ve had a lot of cases where a defendant has to weigh all that stuff. i had michael cohen on in the last hour, who said the most important part in this camp discussion, am i going to risk being removed away from my family, my kids, my friends, my life? is that risk worth it? how does the prosecutor work that conversation with the defendant, to say, it's the federal government. we have a good case against you. as liz keeps pointing out, it's not a complicated case. one of the various things that trump is facing, it may not be the very more impactful to people, but it's the very straightforward. >> and it's that conversation that prosecutors had with defense attorneys. first of all, each of the co-defendants have a charge that stands alone, lying to the fbi. but martha stewart, martha stewart did time for lying to the fbi. so, the conversation, the prosecutor would have with the defense attorneys, and hopefully the defense attorneys will have with their client's, look, you are dead on tha

some people have asked me, would you agree to pardon president trump? i said, i have pardon ability in my state. i can do stuff in the state. you're asking me, what i pardon somebody in 2025 in north dakota when they have not been convicted yet. joe can pardon right now instead of turning the justice loose on his competitor. he could be saying, hey we want this to be about our future not our past. all -- i will just pardon him so we can focus america's discussion on a real competitors. he's never going to do that. anyway, we've got to restore trust in the systems. we have to have folks in the future. you know who loves that when we're are fighting between each other? china loves that. china thinks that is hilarious. so does russia, so does everybody else. part of what we are trying to do was focus on the future and make sure we can get the country where we can compete. it's looking to me like you may have served in the military? >> i was in the army reserves. >> thank you. you understand. when i think about people like my dad and others that fought for

white house press secretary karin jean pierre said no when asked if he'd pardon his son. hunter biden was set to plea guilty as part of a plea deal o the tax charges this weekend ind a federal court up in delaware, but the deal unraveled on unrav wednesday after a judgeel raise concerns about the terms of the concer assurances g that hunter biden's legal team a sought immunity from other potential criminal charges. after the deal fell apart, hunter biden was then -- needed to plead not guilty on the two t tax charges.x the judge has not yet determined whether she'll allow the plea meanwhil meanwhile republican senator chuck grassly of iowa who spearheaded investigations intos hunter biden told fox news x yesterday that his investigation would have continued even if if hunter biden's deal had survived and he was given immunity. >> my job is not to determine t whether hunter biden or bid president biden is guilty of anything, whether he'd done anything wrong. that's up to the executive branch and the judicial branch.a my job is to make sure is the fbi doing their job of inv

would you pardon him for all of those? >> well, the georgia case has not been brought.ndictments that have been brought as well as the facts as they're known about january 6th and i'm a guy that responds to facts and matches them to the law. the two indictments that have been brought, i have committed, you're corrected, that i would pardon him. that is in the national interests to move forward as a nation. one of the people i take inspiration from actually is nelson mandela, the way he reunited a nation that was badly divided. if his task was so great and he was able to achieve it, i think the next u.s. president can rise to the occasion to bridge the divide between this country as well. it's going to require putting principal over self-interest. that's what i'm doing as a candidate. there's other candidates that would like to see trump eliminated. i want to win but i don't want to win that way. i want to convince the voter. >> neil: we'll see what happens on this case and georgia. thanks, vivek. >> good seeing you. >> neil: in rome, it's night time now. but man, is it

you don't put pardons out there to garner votes. that is premature.bviously, if there's a -- >> you think that's what she's doing? >> well, i think that anybody who promises pardons during a presidential campaign is not serving our system of justice well, and it's inappropriate. >> you are unique as a republican candidate because, while many of the republicans on the trail are using this phrase "weaponization of the justice system," you are avoiding that. and, in fact, you have put forward a plan to overhaul federal law enforcement agencies. "the washington post" editorial board came close to endorsing it a few days ago, saying the idea should be taken seriously. explain this approach. >> well, our justice system is the envy of the world. it's what sets our democracy apart, that we're under the rule of law. and if you undermine that system of justice, then you're undermining our democracy. and it's a human system so there's going to be flaws in it that you've got to correct and adjust. and so mistakes are made. and i don't like the way the justice dep

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himself, much less essentially promising to pardon himself. but james madison said, in the federalist papers, that the cardinal principle of justice in our system is the no man may be a judge in his own cause in his own case. so it does seem to cut against that very basic principle. again, he pushes the legal system to the extreme, we are forced to judge these very radical context that have never been tested before. e neve >> i think there's at least as good an argument that the president cannot pardon himself as the idea that he can. >> do you think that's what is up to? >> i certainly believe that he is trying to use his candidacy and his campaign is a shield against liberal prosecution. >> given that trump has not been held accountable yet, it is in process in some ways, he clearly has not changed his behavior much. what concerns you the most for what he could do for the next election? >> a lot of it we are seeing in plain sight right now. there are efforts to change election laws all over the country where trump loyal republican party legi

wants to delay this as much as possible to go beyond the 2024 election cycle, he could potentially pardon himself. >> the iowa caucuses begin very early in the next year. delay is the name of the game. >> he's collected, what, 30-something million dollars since being indicted. it's not hurting his campaign. the rnc pledge about trying to support whoever the eventual nominee. it bodes well to keep it going. however, in the real world with the rest of us live, where you can federally indicted, you get 30 days behind bars at the onset for trial, i mean, this is a really astonishing moment in time. you got the former president of the united states, affidavit that shows probable cause why this entire began down in florida. it includes surveillance footage before they had an indictment and everything else they were aware they saw boxes moving. . the boxes we're seeing behind the screen of course, put in one area, not put back in full. this is part of the evidentiary basis. >> the boxes of being moved before the fbi ever went into mar-a-lago. how does that boost smith's case in. >> remember, aff

. >> you said you would not pardon former president donald trump in the investigation in handling of classified records. and would you expand on that statement why you would not consider a pardon for the former president. >> first of all, as a candidate for president, i would never consider a pardon for anyone in my public statements, it's wrong. you're running for candidate you don't bargain pardons and you don't dangle them out there for voters for votes. i respect the power and utilized that as the governor of arkansas and i accomplished with it mercy in some cases, justice in other cases, and giving people a fresh start in other instances. and i had some guidelines that i followed. and so, it's not that never will it ever be considered because you don't know the outcome of the case in court, but if you start dangling or promising, as some candidates do, i will do this, why in the world is a jury even called. why do you have to go through that? you're undermining the juror and give the jurors in there, and throw up their hands, why are we bothering with this because you've already