who could be pardoned. and some who cannot. i mean, some of those who are convicted were, you know, guilty of violence against police officers. and those people i think, may not be included, but it's hard to tell it he, he hasn't really said for sure which way you go. but it's going to be one of those 2 ways. and um, frankly, it, it goes back to jimmy carter who just passed away on his 1st day in office, pardon all of the people who are the bait of the draft during the vietnam war. and so there was a blanket pardon and it was within his hour just as it is within trump's power to pardon these people. for him, it is all about justifying his laws and saying these people did nothing wrong well, in fact, they did something very wrong. it was an insurrection against an election, and it was one of the great crimes of american history. so it's a, it may help him out personally to feel that he's been dictated by all this. but um history, i don't think we'll look kindly on this kind of those adjusted for dollar has a

who could be pardoned. and some who cannot. i mean, some of those who are convicted were, you know, guilty of violence against police officers. and those people i think, may not be included, but it's hard to tell it he, he hasn't really set for sure which way he go. but it's going to be one of those 2 ways and, and frankly it, it goes back to jimmy carter who just passed away on his 1st day in office, pardon all of the people who are the bait at the draft during the vietnam war. so that was a blanket pardon and it was within his hour just as it is within trump's power to pardon these people. and what is the benefit to president trump of doing this is the 2nd to the presidency, has nothing to to lose or perhaps to gary? yeah, there to me is a very difficult time in the united states. there are a lot of people who are really upset about this election upset that the people would let him come back to office after what happened on january 6th in particular . and there are structural reasons that that happens. bu

one is self pardons. congress could lay down a marker about that but the second is the corrupt use of pardons. now, imagine, for example, that a president sells a pardon just sells it. something seems to be wrong with that. i think the constitution protects, the pardon he who accepts the pardon. i think the pardon is still valid with it regardless, the president's corrupt purpose, it is not clear to me that the president is free of potentially legal, but that in turn raises the question of what are we going to about questions about the degree to which the criminal laws subject president to liabilities for various acts of apparently official character that may be corrupt nature and that brings in the effect of the immunity decision so forth. but i it's it's an area that needs attention and it's not going to get in anytime soon. we have just a little time left. let me ask judge gonzales, you know, in light of your comments about how you felt day after the election, your preference, the office, what's the hy

none of us have really advocated for a pardon. but i think if it's offered, i would encourage the members of the committee and others to give it serious consideration before rejecting it. >> democratic congressman bennie thompson, former chairman of the january 6th select committee. thank you very much for joining us. we'll continue this conversation down the road. >>> coming up, a major winter storm now blanketing the eastern part of the united states in both snow and ice. and it's not over yet. z's bakery is looking to add a pizza oven, arissa's hair salon wants to expand their space, and steve's t-shirt shop wants to bring on more help. with the comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee, they can think more about possibilities for their business and not the cost of their internet. it's five years of gig-speeds and advanced security. all from the company with 99.9% network reliability. get the 5-year price lock guarantee, now back for a limited time. powering five years of savings. powering possibilities™. what if your mobile

to pardon or not to pardon?r years later and that is still the question. >> chief legal council for the committee is back with me now. tim, trump has threatened retribution and jail time for those on the committee. you said you are not concerned would you want a pardon? >> clearly, it takes facts and evidence to have a legal consequence. there may be questions asked by congressional committees or by the new department of justice about the investigation that will require people like me or members of the committee to provide information. i am not worried at all about the possible or actual culpability. again, in this country it takes facts in order for there to be real exposure. he can create a lot of expense, disthraks is meant to intimidate or be a political sabre rattle and the rhetoric he put forth. but, ultpat low legal cons queenses ultimately, it is not. >> that is one way that a pardon could be something useful to avoid having to dole out what it will take to defend one's self-even that will not result in

if he wants to pardon a few of these people as they look at it, but to do a blanket pardon and to trythugs of january sixth four years ago into some kind of, you know, public folk heroes, maga superstars would be a great detriment to his presidency and the country at large. >> doug and neal joining us here on january 6th, thank you both. let me tell folks what's coming up. >>> we will not only at the history doug and neal were discussing, but it is to maintain democracy against these type of coup attempts. >>> we prepared a special report on a fact check to arm you with the evidence as we deal with these debates this week. >>> that's next. iberogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. when you're a small-business owner, the power of nature. your to-do list can be...a lot. ♪♪ super helpful. ♪♪ [ cheering ] what are invoices? progressive makes it easy to see if you can save money with a commercial auto quote online so you can get back to all your other to-

and they want trump to pardon their loved ones and let them out of jail and also pardon everyone. they want blanket pardon from the proud boys and oath keepers on down see inhe firstew weeks of the presidcy is the j6 families as they arenown, they won't ay quiet if trump does n act quickly and does not act very decisively on pardoning all of these folks. these are some of the most die hard supporters. they are hopeful but they are nervous at he may not pardon everyone. >> paula, you have new reporting for us. tell us about it. >> we got a response from judge juan merchan, the judge overseeing the manhattan hush money case where trump was convicted of falsifying business records. trump has been trying to get the sentencing scheduled for friday delayed. the judge has rejected the request. so unless another judge stays the sentencing, as of now, trump is scheduled to be sentenced this friday in new york. trump did get a concession out of judge merchan last week who said look, i know there are a lot of demands, both physical and mental on your time as president-elect. so you can appea

>> he didn't promise to pardon everybody.s going to look at it on a case-by- case basis. just be factual. those are the words. and to be factual the only person that died on january 6th there was one person that died, ashli babbitt. >> and she was -- >> wait a minute. >> you're arguing because he didn't die on the 6th. >> we're talking about how who died on january 6th. >> that is beyond splitting hairs. >> come on. >> you don't actually -- >> there's one person that died -- >> why else was she there? she wouldn't have been there that day if donald trump didn't spread conspiracy theories about an election he knew was not stolen. and he told those people to go to the capitol. she was there because of one person. she would not have died if it weren't for donald trump -- >> she wouldn't have died if a police officer didn't wrongfully shoot her. i wish the january 6th committee would have done a full investigation for the american people to see and hear. watch this and again, don't listen to david urban, go to the video. "the new

. >>> the former leader of the proud boys is asking trump for a pardon. what lawmakers on both sides of the night are saying. >>> justin trudeau says he's stepping down. we have a top reporter to break down everything you need to know is the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night. >>> good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. privileged to be with you here tonight. today, what used to be business as usual at the u.s. capitol happened, will normally it's normal every four years. congress voted to certify the results of the 2024 presidential election. officially naming donald john trump the winner and it was presided over by vice president kamala harris who, of course, lost that election. it was a much different picture than what we experience four years ago when donald trump's most ardent supporters rioted at the capitol to try to prevent congress from certifying his 2020 loss. my colleague garrett haake starts us off with all those details. >> reporter: tonight and it recension lasting 40 minutes, congress county state electoral votes. >> donal

would he take a preemptive pardon from president biden? and how will democrats respond when republicans control everything here? >>> and after canada's prime minister announced plans to step down, president-elect trump needled the neighbor to the north, make canada the 51st state? i'm kaitlan collins and this is "the source." ♪ >>> we're live in washington this evening, and you're looking at the united states capitol tonight, where the most stunning political comeback in modern american history has now been certified by congress. paving the way for donald trump to take back power exactly two weeks from now. it's an inauguration that many, including republicans, felt was unthinkable on the january 6th four years ago. that's when this capitol that you're looking at on a snowy day was a crime scene. under attack by a mob of trump supporters. contrast today with the sitting president in january 2021, publicly berating his own vice president, who was later rushed into hiding by the secret service while rioters were threatening to hang him. and

that's not actually what a pardon says about you. we'll see how it unfolds in their lives, compared to what they expect. >> what about the radicalization? >> you document the way people went into prison and the way they came out, and the way in which they were held together. usually when they go into prison, we've had this discussion, you're not amongst people you committed crimes with, you're separated out. with the january 6th rioters because they were in a d.c. prison, because their crimes were different or potentially dangerous, it was potentially dangerous to have them part of the general population, they were all packed in together, and in that group, they radical sized each other. how might that look on the outside, if donald trump chooses to part the ones that got harder in prison? >> yeah, i mean, the justice department did many things right in investigation, it's the largest investigation in history, but putting them all together really gel'd them as a community. it created january 6thers as a community with unified interes

a pardon would amplify the lack of accountability.the reverse psychology of saying this is a way of saying you did something wrong and solidify it, no, not so much. i don't think that the president has much more important things to do in these days. >> live with it for a few days, don. >> i'm going to sit on it and still not be with you. he has more important things to do in the last few days. >> susan, i want to give you the last few words. if we were sitting around the sunday dinner table and having this conversation, how would you chime in? >> i kind of like where david went on this. again, it is part of history now if he is pardoned. for o the reasons that several people were under consideration by biden for pardons like schiff or liz cheney, they didn't want it because it implied they did something wrong . that is the same thing that david is getting at when he says let's pardon him and say that what he did was wrong. we are going to deal with donald trump over the next four years. but our history, country, going for 10, 20, 30 y

that's what we're going to do when he pardons all these people he's going to pardon any way. i think it sends a bad message. i'm not convinced he'll pardon enrique. i'll say that. i wouldn't be surprised if he commutes the sentence and keeps the conviction. don't let people believe that's anything -- that is a pardon basically. because this guy will still be a proud boy then. look, it's awful. but it's going to be four years of awful probably. i hope i'm wrong. i hope i'm wrong. >> should he pardon him? >> i don't condone the pardoning of commuting the sentences of people who committed violent acts. and i have never denied what happened on january the 6th was bad. people who committed violent acts or assaulted police officers should face the consequences of their action. so no, i'm not for -- >> by the way, that's hundreds of people. >> i'm not for mass pardons and commutations of people who committed violent acts. i do think there may have been people swept up in prosecutions who did not necessarily commit violent acts and perhaps were overcharged or aver sentenced. i don't

he has certainly indicated he is open to pardons. >> i'm fully expecting him to issue those pardons,e. donald trump has completely rewritten the history of that event for a certain segment of the population, and that segment of the population is one that a lot of republican elected officials care about. mike johnson was among the corest of people four years ago saying that everyone there needed to be held accountable. that position has been brushed aside by him and just about everybody else back then. you know, i don't think anybody will say they condone what happened that day, but donald trump has been so relentless in saying that those people were just patriots trying to express, you know, their constitutional first amendment views that, you know, there's just very little up side for them to fight back. donald trump has won that argument, he's going to do this. i can't imagine there will be very many people who will stand up to him. looking at that imagine, it's maddening. i mean, a place that i worked for many years, a building i cherish, and frankly every american should cherish,

the pardon authority exists with him.job right now is to get -- help the president get the people into the positions that he wants to implement his agenda and then work constructively with him with the house of representatives on an agenda that we think is what the american people voted for. and that, you know -- you can't -- you can't be looking in the rear view 34ir roar to do that. that's four years ago. i think the american people are living in the present, and i think they want us -- they want the work that we're doing to be done with an eye toward what we can do to improve their lives today. >> president-elect trump told me he is open to doing a deal with democrats to protect dreamers, those who were brought here illegally as children. do you commit to working with democrats to try to get a deal on the dreamers? >> well, if the president of the united states -- he is obviously going to lead on a lot of this policy with respect to the border. but that is an issue that i think on which there could be some bipartisan c

then the former leader of the proud boys is asking trump for a pardon. what lawmakers are saying about it. >>> justin trudeau is stepping down as canadian prime minister, a top reporter is here to break down everything you need to know as "the 11th hour" gets under way this monday night. good evening once again, i'm stephanie ruhle, privileged to be here with you. today, what used to be business as usual at the u.s. capitol happened, normally it's normal every four years. congress voted to certify the results of the 2024 election, officially naming donald john trump the winner, resided over by vice president kamala harris who lost the election. it was a much different picture than four years ago when donald trump's ardent supporters rioted at the capitol to prevent certifying trump's loss. >> reporter: tonight in a joint session lasting just 40 minutes, congress counting state electoral votes. >> donald j. trump in florida -- >> reporter: certifying the sweeping victory of donald trump who takes office as the 47th commander in chief. vice president kamal

or at least i think he will pardon a good many of them.ho attacked and injured law enforcement officials or, you know, caused severe damage or something like that? it's possible that he will think twice about doing that. but i think he's pretty well committed at this point to at least pardons for many of the rioters. is that problematic, given the nature of the actions they have been convicted of? they were trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to an election he did, in fact, lose? at least from my perspective, "problematic" is quite an understatement. i have to say it is kind of appalling that people who would've tried to disrupt democracy through clearly illegal acts — act that, in many cases, we have on video — that they would be forgiven because the president is the person who they were trying to benefit back then. i think that sets an awful precedent for the future and i think it can only serve to encourage more legal violations in the political sphere, which are certainly not something we need to see in the us right now. t

do you think trump will pardon him? >> look, the pardons have been used for three kinds of cases as far as i can tell from reading the decisions. one, if a person is innocent and new information turns up. two is if there is some kind of profound procedural miscarriage of justice. three is if the person was guilty but they are rehabilitated. i don't hear anybody saying the people we see on all these video clips were actually innocent and nobody has identified any miscarriage of justice. i think trump is basically saying when he wants to pardon these people that they are rehabilitated, and they do not constitute a danger to the public safety today. is that true or not true? we should go through each one of these cases. that's why there is a pardon attorney at the department of justice. if trump does not want to wait for the attorney and the department of justice to go through the cases, he is placing his personal seal of approval, vouching for each of these people as he pardons them. it means he becomes responsible for wh

what we will do when he pardons all the people, you will pardon anyway. i think it sends a bad message and i'm not too busy will pardon him , i will say that. i would not be surprised if the commute to sentence a keeps the conviction which don't let people believe that is anything -- that is a part of basically because this guy will still be a proud boy and look, it is awful but you know , it will be four years of apple probably. >> should he pardon him? >> i don't condone the pardoning of commuting the sentences of people who committed violent acts and i have never denied what happened on january 6 was bad and people who committed acts or salt a police officer should face the consequences of their actions and i am not -- >> that is hundreds of people . >> i'm not for mass pardons and commutation of people who committed violent acts and i think that maybe people swept up in prosecutions he did not necessarily commit violent acts and perhaps overcharged or over sentenced. i don't have a problem with looking at that. but i -- i do not like it when joe biden

the proud boy pardon.he leader of the proud boys enrique tarrio asking president-elect donald trump for a pardon today. four years to the day after the violent insurrection on capitol hill. the members of the proud boys and other trump supporters stormed the united states capitol in an attempt to overturn the 2020 election. tarrio right now is serving a 22- year sentence for seditious conspiracy and leading a plot to prevent the transfer of power. his attorney is speaking to one person now and one person only to plea. trump. writing, "enrique tarrio was portrayed throughout the government case as a right- wing extremist that promote aid neofascist militant organization. henry is nothing more than a proud american that believes in true conservative values. " just to be clear, this is what tarrio said on tape just days before january 6 th. >> there's ways that you can enact change. get armed and go to the capitol. as crazy as that sounds, like yeah, i think that's the way you make the biggest noise. >> getti

so i expect that he will go forward with pardons.they shouldn't have been caught up on in, and to see him pardon people who assaulted police officers is a departure from order. >> a lot of them pled guilty and that's a good point. symone, what are you going to be watching for? i talked to senator schiff about oversight. how much is he going to be focused on oversight versus actually trying to govern potentially across the aisle. >> democrats in the senate and the house they want to find ways to govern bsse they want wins so they can potentially take back power in the mid-term election and the reality of the situation is some of the things they just won't be able to come together on when it comes to the house specifically because of mike johnson's aggressive way of wanting to take on donald trump's agenda. >> thank you all. great way to kick off the year. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪ ♪♪ >>> a major winter storm making its way to the mid atlantic

but just start with, make the case for a pardon here for us. >> well, we're using the pardon process because we've not been able to get a formal exoneration through the congress. >> you know, we started back in 1987 with the house judiciary committee that was chaired by john conyers. >> and, you know, um, uh, we and we myself, my brother, several different representatives appear before the house judiciary committee and subsequent to that, congressman rangel had house resolutions to exonerate my dad year after year after year. and also yvette clarke picked up on that. so it was a political football, if you will. so it never ended up getting out of the house judiciary committee. however, the president has the authority to issue a posthumous pardon just on his say so. so we've gone that route starting in 2016, the end of the second term of president obama. so that's where we are at the present time. you know, president biden was vice president at that time. so he should be familiar with the case. so we're using it as a means to exonerate and clear my dad's name. and as you mentioned, th

in the history of presidential pardon power, which he is publicly promising to do, pardon the people who tried to overthrow the last presidential election for him four years ago. the ashli babbitt lie and the pardons are of a piece with the criminal plot described in jack smith's indictment of donald trump for crimes that a grand jury charged donald trump with saying that he committed those crimes leading up to and on january 6th in his attempt to overthrow the presidential election. jack smith's report about that investigation has been blocked from public release by judge cannon today, a federal court of appeals could issue a ruling on that this week, the same week when donald trump is scheduled to be sentenced for the 34 felonies a manhattan jury convicted him of. a new york appeals court today denied donald trump's attempt to block that sentencing on friday of this week. that is where we will begin our discussion tonight with former federal prosecutor andrew weissmann, but up next, we will go live to los angeles where jacob soboroff is covering the massive los angeles fire that is

the ashley babbitt lie and the pardons are of a piece with the criminal plot described in jack smith's indictment of donald trump for crimes that a grand jury charged donald trump with, saying that he committed those crimes leading up to and on january 6th in his attempt to overthrow the presidential election. jack smith's report about that investigation has been blocked from public release by judge cannon today, a federal court of appeals could issue a ruling on that this week, the same week donald trump is expected to be sentenced for [ inaudible ] a manhattan jury convicted him of. denied donald trump's attempt to block that sentencing on friday of this week. and that is where we will begin our discussion tonight with former federal prosecutor andrew wiseman. but up next we will go live to los angeles, where jacob soboroff is covering the massive los angeles fire that is spreading and that has been spreading rapidly. one observer experienced los angeles fire department observer called it an event of an historical nature. that is what is raging in los angeles tonight. angeles tonight

vague about a blanket pardon.sue hasn't just split the nation, but a family, where a son turned in and later testified against his father, who, for now, remains in prison. donie o'sullivan has that story. >> reporter: if trump pardons your dad, what's your biggest fear? >> just getting shot in the street. >> reporter: by your father? >> by my father, by someone he knows. there's a bunch of people that i don't know, and i don't know their intent, so -- you want to help me with this? >> reporter: sure. this is jackson. going to take this in? >> yes, please. >> reporter: he says he's moving out of his rental home and into hiding for his our safety. >> bought a gun, because i got so paranoid. moving out because i'm scared. >> reporter: you know how to fire a gun? >> yeah. i've been shooting it. >> reporter: you have it on you right now? >> yeah, i have to wear it around the house kind of often just to get used to how it feels. >> reporter: okay. jackson's dad was a member of the texas three percenter militia. >> i jus

and trump has said he intends to issue these pardons. he said he might do it within the first minutes of his new administration. katie, you and i both know how the pardon process works. typically people file applications. they're considered individually. people who were violent, an ongoing threat to the community aren't up for pardon. and trump is turning that broad power he has on its head by considering restoring these people -- as you pointed out in earlier cases these are people who have never been accountable for their conduct, and throwing them back into communities, which is the ultimate gesture of thumbing trump's nose at the rule of law. >> joyce, do you consider whether or not we're going to see a party for seditious insurrectionists. with trump all bets are off, right? >> it's not at all clear. his transition team has not ruled out pardons for the oath keepers or member of other groups that openly engaged in sedition, were convicted of those crimes probably the zenith on january 6th. if trump were to do that, the question we h

and on pardons, have you rolled out a pardon for yourself or any other additional members of the family? pres. biden: for myself? >> yes sir? pres. biden: what would i pardon myself for? >> that's what i'm asking. pres. biden: i have not contemplated pardoning myself. i didn't do anything wrong. >> would you comment on the decision to end operations in the united states? was that a good decision in your opinion? pres. biden: look, the whole idea of walking away from fact checking as well as not reporting anything having to do with discrimination regarding dps, i find to be just contrary to american justice, american -- the way we talk about one another. tell them the truth matters. i mean, it's -- i know i'm on national television, but you are local reporters and national reporters. this is not a real question but what do you think? you think it doesn't matter that they let it be printed where millions of people read it, things that are simply not true? i don't know what that's all about. it's just completely contrary to everything america is about. we want to tell the truth. we have no

leader of the proud boys is asking a pardon. would trump be president if it was not missteps by merrick garland. hawaii governor, a doctor determined to stop rfk jr. people can die if he becomes the health official. >>> america's closest allies, warning trump about elon musk. how come? let's got go "out front." >>> good evening i'm erin burnett. the leader of the proud boys asking president-elect trump for a pardon today four years to the day after the violent insurrection on capitol hill. members of the proud boys stormed the united states capitol in an attempt to overturn the election. right now serving a 22 year sentence for conspiracy. leading a plot to prevent the transfer of power. his attorney is speaking to one person now and one person only to plea. trump. writing, he was portrayed throughout the government's case as a white ring extremists that had a militant organization. henry is nothing more than a proud american that believes in conservative values. just to be clear this is what he said on tape just days before jan

senate majority leader john thune is comparing trump's potential pardons to recent pardons made by president biden. >> as we've discovered under the biden administration, the pardon authority is a very broad one. i mean, he's he's taken it to a whole new level. >> as the majority leader in the senate, though, what message do you think it would send to give pardons to people who pleaded guilty to attacking police officers who stormed this building four years ago? >> well, look, i mean, again, it's ultimately going to be a decision that the president of the united states, the pardon authority, exists with him as one of her last official acts, as vice president, kamala harris today will certify her own loss. >> president biden is asking americans not to forget the events of january 6th, 2021, writing in the washington post. quote, we cannot accept a repeat of what occurred four years ago. and speaking about trump, biden said, quote, i think what he did was a genuine threat to democracy, and i'm hopeful that we're beyond it. security is much tighter around the capitol than four years ago, with e

will he pardon them all or just pardon some of them? that's led to publications such as the huffington post and wall street journal editorial page to try to front page, try to surface the details of these crimes to make it seem even to trumpest republicans that maybe even these convictions were sound and should stand. quote, andrew taake pepper sprayed police officers defending the capitol on january 6, 2021, and hit one with a metal whip. he's serving 74 months at a prison in texas. christopher albert carried a loaded .9 millimeter pistol onto the capitol grounds. steven held a cellphone in his mouth so he could beat an officer using both of his hands including with the officer's own baton. he's doing 85 months at the federal prison in forest city, arkansas. all three will be back on the streets if donald trump, the man who incited them and some 2,000 others to attack the capitol in the first place follows through on his often repeated pledge to pardon the january 6th insurrections. of those serving a year or more in prison a full 57%

if there are quick and blanket pardons or even selective pardons with a few people not pardoned, expandat you wrote. >> some of these people claim to be supportive of the police and yet they are the same ones who put our lives at risk and these are the same ones that say you all let these people and even though they are the ones that are the officers. it doesn't give me solace that these people are vindictive just like the former president and i don't even know what to call him right now the former president or fellow president? president-elect? what is it? it is so frustrating to hear him and his allies defending these people. at the end of the day, look, our families, we did our jobs in the officers did our jobs and we were simply doing our jobs and fulfilling what comes after, i don't think i need a preemptive pardon like the congressman was saying. we were doing our job and fulfilling our oath and if donald trump has an issue with that and/or his allies, then they are not the so-called party of law and order like they proclaim. >> as you know 150 officers were injured that day and a

will he pardon them all or will he just pardon some of them. that has led to publications like the huffington post to try to resurface the details of the crimes for which some of these people were convicted to try to make it seem even to trump, even to trumpist republicans, like maybe these convictions were sound and should stand. quote, andrew tate pepper sprayed police officers defending the capitol on january 6, 2021, and hit one with a metal whip. christopher alberts carried a loaded nooin millimeter pistol onto capitol grounds that day and hit police officers with a wooden pallet. he's serving an 84-month sentence in michigan. steven ka puch -- hold his cell phone in his mouth so he could beat an officer with his own hands, including with the officer's own baton. he's doing 85 months at the federal prison in forest city, arkansas. all three will be back on the streets if donald trump, the man who incited them follows through on his off-reputed pledge to pardon the january 6 insurrectionists. of those serving a year or more in prison, a ful

will he pardon them all, or will he just pardon some of them that has led publications as diverse as the huffington post and the wall street journal editorial page, to try to front page, to try to resurface the details of the crimes for which some of these people were convicted, to try to make it seem even to trump, even to trumpist republicans. like maybe these convictions were sound and should stand. quote andrew, take pepper sprayed police officers defending the capitol on january 6th, 2021 and hit one with a metal whip. he is serving 74 months at a federal prison in beaumont, texas. christopher alberts carried a loaded nine millimeters pistol onto capitol grounds that day and hit police officers with a wooden pallet. he's serving an 84 month sentence at the federal prison in milan, michigan. stephen cappuccio held his cell phone in his mouth so he could beat an officer using both of his hands, including with the officer's own baton. he's doing 85 months at the federal prison in forrest city, arkansas. all three will be back on the streets if donald trump, the man who incited them

is there anything prosecutors can do to prepare for these pardons?o pursue charges again if trump doesn't decide on blanket pardons? >> not certainly for the current doj because the current doj is going to be handpicked by donald trump. and so they are there to do his bidding. he has been clear, he says the vast majority of the defendants should not be in jail. to put a finer point on it with some numbers, there have been 1,500 defendants charged. 1,100 or so have been convicted, and more than 600 of those have been sentenced. when donald trump says the vast majority should not be in jail, that's a large number. these were individuals who used weapons, guns, batons, pitchforks. there was an explosive device. these are really -- the people who were sentence today prison were sentenced for a reason. these were really, really serious crimes and a lot of cases violent crimes. you had roughly 140 police officers who were injured here. so i don't think there is much that prosecutors will do because donald trump doesn't want them to. unfortunately, what we

you can't invite the people in, say they were peaceful, and pardon them. it is a reprehensible day in our history, and it is disgusting we are trying to sweep over it like it didn't happen. >> alex, what's your view of this, especially as, i mean, democrats do seem to be grappling with what to take away from -- i mean, trump's victory this time was more sweeping than it was in 2016. >> yeah. if you're a democrat, you are incredibly frustrated because you're going to see today that democrats are going to uphold the peaceful transfer of power. you're going to see them basically do what the constitution lays out. donald trump tried to upend that. he did not do that four years ago, and the american people still voted for him anyway. >> doug, you're someone who cares a lot about congress as an institution. you've devoted a lot of your life to service in and aroundaround it. what is the -- you know, in some ways, i'm having a hard time grappling. this is a big picture thing we're grappling with, right? obviously, the results of the election are what they are. si

i mean, trump has talked about issuing these pardons to january 6th. defendants on the first day he gets into office. is there any sort of requirement to review these cases on sort of an individual basis before you issue pardons? or can a president just say, you know, this is the name of the person i want to pardon and that's that basically. >> that's it. alex. now, the better practice is that there is a pardon attorney in the department of justice, and they set some parameters as to what would be appropriate. and somebody applies for a pardon. and then it's investigated. and you talk to the u.s. attorney. >> you talk to the victims, usually a process that leads up. oh, absolutely. >> there's a process. the way it's done properly is there's a process. you make an application and then a whole report goes to the white house, and then lawyers and the white house review it and make a recommendation. but the reality is presidents can pardon whoever they darn well please. and we've seen some of those. there's been some like that bill clinton did it george h.

the easiest way to do a pardon action quickly, like on day one, is to issue a sweeping categorical pardonso if you're going to start to disperse it and look at each individual crime, it's going to take longer. and now you start to have pressure from the base. after you committed to doing this early on. >> yeah. and i mean, i think i keep flashing back as well to the that moment at that rally in, i believe it was ohio where he stands there as they play, you know, please rise for the national anthem sung by the january 6th. um, what is what is the wire? no, it's. oh, the hostages, the unfairly. >> yes. yes, the. >> yes. >> he just played it again at mar-a-lago between the windshield, the windshield and the rear view mirror. >> for donald trump, though, may determine how successful the first year of his presidency is. >> yeah. as we said this yesterday on the show, that politics is about the future, right? >> in theory. >> all right. straight ahead here on cnn this morning, three new board members appointed at meta. one of them, dana white, the chief executive of the ufc. plus the late presi

if you are going to pardon anyone or all of them, who would you pardon? caller: who what i pardon? that is the question. caller: we broke up for a second who what i pardon? i would pardon the people that did not have those weapons. that is what i was talking about. he did not mention what weapons. are we talking about flagpoles? host: there have been people convicted of firearms counts related to january 6. those are some of those various felonies, of the 287 felonies people have been charged with. >> are we allowed to carry concealed weapons in this country? >> i think you can in florida. >> absolutely. i have a problem with some of the things i am hearing on here. i love the comments about trump spending 80 minutes watching tv. he sent three emails, i think two to the d.c. mayor and want to nancy pelosi saying we are hearing some chatter over the airwaves about there being a riot. can you do anything about that? but she did nothing. i believe she was in charge of the capitol police. she did nothing. nothing was done. this is a plan. she let it go and then said we will use it agai

would i pardon myself for. >> that's what i'm asking. >> no, i have no contemplation of pardoning myselfnd expectations that trump broadcast in the last couple of days here as to what he's going to do. the idea that he would punish people for not adhering to what he thinks should be policy is related to his well-being is outrageous, but there's still consideration of some folks that nothing but no decision. >> joining us now is white house correspondent for politico and coauthor of the playbook, eugene daniels. eugene, let's first start with the farewell address, and then we'll dig into some of the things that the president was talking about there. what are you anticipating hearing? >> yeah, i mean, first of all, this is going to be kind of a legacy defining moment for him, right? how does he want to be remembered? it is the big is this the final time he will have a big audience, right? former presidents don't get the big crowds like a current president does. i talked to a senior administration official yesterday, and it's coming out in playbook a little bit, but they said it will be ver

we have that story. >> if trump pardons your dad what is your biggest fear? >> getting shot on the street, i don't know. >> by your father >>. >> by my father, someone he knows, a bunch of people that i don't know, i don't know their intent. so, want to help me lift this? >> sure. >> this, this is jackson. >> take this end of it here? >> yes. please. he is moving out of his rental home into hiding for his own safety. >> i bought a gun because i am paranoid. moving out because i am scared >> do you know how to fire a gun? >> yeah, i have been shooting it. >> i have two, i have to wear it around the house often just to get used to how it feels. >> okay. >> reporter: jackson's dad is guy reffitt. >> i kept going, go forward, go forward. i could not see, bro. serving more than seven year sentence for his role in the january 6th capitol attack. reffitt was convicted of five felonies including carrying a firearm on capitol grounds. >> so you reported your dad to the fbi? >> yes. >> that is what got him arrested basically? >> more or less, yes. >> what effect has th

what do you make of today and these requests for pardon? >> joy, good to be with you. happy new year. this is four years in the making. this isn't anything new to us, although this one feels a little bit different because the person who was responsible for january 6th, 2021, is going back to the white house. it seems from the footage today on the house floor, there was jubilation, there were people taking selfies with j.d. vance. there was a lot of fist pumping. there was a lot of celebration. contrast that with four years ago. people were hiding under chairs, with gas mask on. they were cowering, republicans and democrats, and rightfully so. so just this year contrast of what it was four years ago and also i've got to acknowledge, everybody says that number, 140 officers were injured. those are the ones who just reported their injuries. there were many more officers that day who were injured, who just came back to work and just rub some dirt on their injuries and just went back to work. but there were numerous, numerous officers who were injured that they and to go ba

. >> lindsey graham also weighed in the idea of pardoning january six prisoners as donald trump saide would do and he and other republicans are indicating that they would prefer this isn't done in a way that is a blanket pardon that deals with the most violent offenders on that day rather than being a more targeted approach and donald trump has an indicated how he plans to proceed with all of these pardons but that is an area in which republicans are not certain about how the president-elect may add when he takes office and if he takes a step that may go too far for some republicans who believe that some of these prisoners shouldn't get pardoned or should remain in jail to serve out prison time. >> a major campaign promise that he made and we will see how we follows up on that once he is inaugurated. >> thank you so much. joining us now lives is the pennsylvania democrat and former impeachment manager for the second impeachment and thank you so much for being here. you have describe your experience in vivid detail and vowed to never forget what transpired on that day and i do wonder

about a blanket pardon.nth he told nbc news there may be some exceptions. the issue hasn't just split a nation, but a family where a son turned in and later testified against his father who for now remains in prison. donie o'sullivan has that story. >> if trump pardons your dad, what is your biggest fear? >> getting shot in the street, don't know. >> by your father. >> by my father, by someone he knows. >> a bunch of people? >> i don't know. i don't know their intent, so -- want to help me with this? >> sure. >> this is jackson. >> want me to take this end here? >> yes, please. >> he said he's moving out of his rental home and into hiding for his own safety. >> bought a gun because i got so paranoid and moving out because i'm scared. >> do you know how to fire a gun? >> yeah. i've been shooting it. >> to you have it on you right now? >> yeah, i have to wear it around the house often just to get used to how it feels. >> okay. >> but i'm part of did. >> jackson's dad is guy refus. >> i kept going, go forward,

reporter: members of the january 6 committee are seeking pardons. have you south a pardon? and do you think the staff of that committee should receive pardons? mr. aguilar: i have not sought a pardon or talked to anyone in the white house. i stand by the work. i don't think a pardon is necessary. we committed to do a process together to shine light of what happened on january 6 and the leadup and the president's role in thwarting a transfer of power. that's what we did. i'm not aware of any conversation with the white house related to that. reporter: there has been no debate over any bills, but yet as part of the original rules which established the house procedures that contain the survivors protection act along with 11 other bills. what is your reaction and not allowing for any sort of compromise or debate on the issues -- [indiscernible] mr. aguilar: and this is pretty standard for the house republican conference and seen them run these plays in the past. to the representative's main point, none of these bills that they are advancing would lower the costs for the america