if you can pardon the guilty people, you can pardon one innocent person. let alone all 5. we have to talk for her. it is too overwhelming. at least this gives us a platform. to send a clear message. we want our life back. not tomorrow, but we wanted to day. if he believes that we are going away, he is sadly mistaken. >> each of them as getting therapy. you do in life when you lose your life. no one works harder than these guys. somebody who was out of jail, how did you get a job? they are like kids. they are just happy. setting captives free. he is just into this. all these guys are getting their salvation by selfless actions. >> all of us here have had our reputations besmirched. our family's name disparaged. how long will we have this hanover are next? unlike the previous two governors, my case has been there nine years on the governor's desk. i urged the governor to stop listening to those who advocate against me only to protect themselves, and grant i innocence. -- my innocence. my grandchildren deserve to have my name officially cleared. tavis: you raise a powerful po

this is what cheney's book actually says about pardoning scooter libby. he says, "george bush made courageous decisions as president and to this day i wish pardoning scooter libby had been one of them." isn't that dick cheney's wonderful way of saying the president that i worked for was a coward and would not pardon scooter libby? >> well, i think that might be part of it. i also think what dick cheney's saying is the united states is not, in fact, a nation of laws, it is a nation of men, and we can override laws at our whim. and i give the president enormous credit for having finally after eight years stood up to dick cheney and said no, and i understand from people i've spoken to that it was a defining moment for him, and, in fact, he discussed the matter and discussed the whole pardoning system with president-elect obama as they were driving to the inauguration on january 20th. >> and i would add that i think we -- it seems as those we live in a different america than dick cheney, we live in one in which we believe we are a strong enough country and gr

we thought two weeks ago the sentence would be handed down and they'd be pardoned, but this seems to be stretching out into quite an interesting and painful game for the hikers? certainly is and for their families back here in the states as well. ali arouzi in tehran, thank you. >>> straight-talking rick per se sticking to his guns when it comes to his controversial statements, but will this approach help or hurt him in the end? msnbc continues in three minutes. stick around. i need to reach peter, who's falling behind. and push janet who's 6 chapters ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] with interactive learning solutions from dell, mrs. davis can make education a little more personal. so every student feels like her only student. dell. the power to do more. yea, right over here. look at 'em all. what about a black frontier with utilitrack? absolutely. oh, great, that's awesome. what about a platinum graphite rogue with touch-screen nav, bluetooth, and...a moonroof? with or without leather? we got 'em both. [ sighs ] i gotta get back. [ male announcer ] the most innovative cars are also the

he says there's a general the two will be pardoned -- a general thought the two will be pardoned. >>> and oklahoma woman says cooper was her uncle. marla said her parents to walk about him over the years. a man called dan cooper hijacked a plane found from portland to seattle. he demanded $200,000 and got the money before the plan landed and parachuted out before authority kos catch him. >> i have very vivid memories. they just kind of came back in a flood. >> the fbi is following a credible lead on a new suspect but won't say if the tip came from her. >>> some people in danville are furious over a high school upgrade that's supposed to be good for the environment. they say when they agreed to a solar panel project, they were told no shes were be -- no trees would be cut but at san ramon valley high school, construction crews removed a dozen trees to make way for these solar panels. district officials say they were young trees planted two years ago before the solar project existed. >> we have plans to replant them as soon as we find a good spot for them. probably more trees than we re

we have had better than a dozen earmarks, pardon me for using that word. for construction . now we say another infrastructure program. congressman, we mede to stop people from coming up with initiatives. >> we need top 10 corporations to pay their taxesment wouldn't that be nice . stop off shore jobs and trade agreement to send millions was jobs. >> can you blame them, congressman. >> absolutely. i am for america, who are they for? >> they see little impous seeing the shenagins . you are pushed if you want to expand to south carolina, a nonunion state. what is in their about to repatriot that money if they are penalize. >> repatriot. means, america first and respect the country that gave you your birth. we are seeing corporations taking our jobs out. where is there loyalty? we ought to make sure they pay their taxes. >> why are they responsibility for scaring us out of this country. they are chasing jobs over seas because of regulation says and taxes not across the board, but certainly enough they little reason to stay here. they want to bring that money home but spanked if

pardons are issued on the last day. ramadan ends this tuesday. >>> the story of steve jobs inventing the apple computer in his garage is well-known. his boyhood home has been a magnet for tourists especially now that he stepped down as apple ceo. george kiriyama reports from los altos >> this home on chris drive in los altos is a meky for techies. for those who are just plain curious. it was here steve jobs grew up and in this garage where apple was born. >> we are from australia. >> jeff brent and his 16-year-old son had to stop by. they are here from australia on a silicon valley tour and no stop is complete without a visit to the famous garage. >> it's amazing. i am blown away. it's really inspiring. >> it's hard to put that into perspective. that whole start is in somebody's garage. >> they are two of many tourist who is took pictures of the home and garage where steve jobs created the apple computer. their visit was more mandatory when they heard jobs stepped down. >> we were planning to come, but we had to make su

. >> reporter: instead of a pardon, the government sentenced them to eight years in prison for illegally entering the country and spying. minnesota senator spoke with bower's mother. the men claimed they were hiking in iraq in 2009 and mistakenly crossed the iranian border. bower's fiance was arrested with them was was recently let go. >> the burden we are carrying arounding the fear and the unknown, it gets heavier and heavier. >> reporter: the families had also appealed here in the united nations. the state department said shane and josh have been imprisoned too long and it is time to reunite them with their families. the americans's attorney felt a pardon would come during this islamic holy month of ramadan and now they are hoping the iranian government would overturn it. >> no word yet if the two years the men have been already behind bars will count toward their eight year sentences. drew levenson. >> the hikers's ordeal is now in its third year. the men were first detained in july of 2009. their mothers were allowed to visit a year later. >>> in the east bay tonight police have inv

that may be north carolina knocked off their sentence ppt big question now is whether they'll be pardoned by the end of the month of ramadan, in ten days time. traditionally in iran, prisoners are freed as a good will humanitarian islamic gesture at the end of the month of ramadan. if the two men aren't freed, they could be in for the long haul, they have 20 days to appeal their sentence or they can wait for ramadan to see if they're pardoned. if things don't work out for them in the next ten days, could be a long stay for them in iran's notorious prison. >> so far there's been no reaction from the two uc graduates to any of these reports. many say they're surprised by the sentence. >> these reports have not yet been confirmed, for that reason the hikers families have not issued any kind of official reaction. a spokesman for the families of shane bauer and josh fattal said the families are aware of the reports and they're asking for privacy during this difficult time as they await confirmation. a third detainee sarah shourd was released last september. her case remains open. we talked to

once his pardoned, he can sue for some kind of compensation. one is getting their records out and exposing the fact the they are innocent. then it is the governor having the courage to set them free. then when they're out of jail, getting them to fully function. >> i want to come to you because i read about you in california where a live. i read about it because it was your case that brought to the four this particular number. your case raises to the level of 6% in significance. it raises to the level of 6% the number of persons wrongfully convicted on death row. 6% of the people sitting on death row in illinois are wrongfully convicted. that comes to live because of your story. tell me more the back story of your case. >> i was arrested, charged, convicted, and sentenced to death for the murder of a young newlywed couple. i had corroborated alibi which remains corps raided to this very day. yet every appeal process with two execution dates for over 12 years in state courts i was denied. if it had not been for the efforts of people outside the

one of the questions now is whether the two could be pardoned at the end of the month, which marks the end of ramadan. monty francis is in san francisco with that part of the story for us. monty? >> reporter: we talked to a professor of international relations at san francisco state who said that these eight year sentences should not be viewed as the final word in this case. political experts say that it's possible shane bauer and josh fattal could be pardoned in the next ten days during the holy month of ramadan because that is sometimes done as a humanitarian gesture. eight years seems to be a relatively light sentence for trespassing and espionage giving past knowledge of cases in the iranian court system. these sentences could stand or there could be an appeal in the next 20 years. >> there's a humanitarian option that only the supreme leader of iran can exercise. it's hoped that maybe the possibility will look into seriously. >> so far there's been no reaction from the families of the two uc berkeley grads to these reports. a spokesman for the families of shane bauer and josh fatt

he was not pardoned. the sentence was commuted by president bush. question is back here. >> when cheney outed duke plain, why was that not considered, you know, breaking confidentiality or a form of espionage or form of treason. >> i'm sorry? >> when which cheney outed plain, why was that not reported? >> the prosecutors didn't announce it. that was the reason. there's a whole separate law on disclosure of the identity of intelligence agents, and that law, itself, apparently has some flaws, and the special prosecutor in the case, fitzgerald, the guy from chicago, decided he could not prove the elements of that case against cheney or libby. >> a number of people seem to have been prosecuted for lying to the fbi. is there an obligation to talk to them when they see you, or can you just refuse to talk to them p >> might be good criminal lawyers here who have familiarity with that. my impression is you don't have to talk to them. they knock on your door, and you don't have to talk to them at all. they don't have legal compulsion on you to talk. if they

. >> jon: now you must pardon me for this. you don't strike me as so much of the explorer type. so this strikes me the hardship of the andes with the lack of breatheable air. very thin oxygen up there. >> exactly. >> jon: was it difficult for you? >> it was until we discovered the magic of cocoa. the cocoa leaves. we had to keep stopping and buying these large bags which they looked like bay leaves. >> jon: i'm familiar with... (laughing) no need, sir. >> i was hoping to get like a little of that tony montana action. it's more like having a nice cup of tea unfortunately. >> jon: so the mule tenders appreciated that. so you find out, what do you find out now about being... the people in peru are angry at this man. they say he stole their artifacts. what did you discover about things? >> they're right. he did have an agreement with the president of peru that he would take these artifacts from machu picchu up to the peabody museum at yale and bring them back whenever peru asked for them. peru started asking for them a few years ago and yale basically said, you know, we've had this

you've said that you knew the recognition of a pardon south of setia will be happening slowly and that's true only three countries have so far recognized their independence this is of course difficult for ordinary people in this republics for example a simple trip becomes a problem are you ready to issue all these people question passports. if they ask for it then of course we will give them what they want given that they are willing to become a citizens of russia. because you've said that even in your close circles there were differences over whether to recognize a pardon south of setia there's a question both in russia and georgia since the end of the war russia has given forty billion rubles in aid to applies in south. this is a huge amount of money that could have been used for russia's internally what does russia need this for. well we have a lot of programs to help you support other countries that have cars here in south a set to right now maybe closer to russia or in diplomatic terms they are entirely dependent on those they are close to us and the russian citizens living there no

if you will pardon me. the payment to the and parks program was paid by san francisco beautiful. >> congratulations. president olague: commissioner sugaya? commissioner sugaya: i guess as long as we have some time -- >> now, now, now. commissioner sugaya: it is an ad that shows the clarity of the glass by showing it landscaping, which does wonders for birds. [laughter] i will pass this off to the bird people, whoever they are. i do not remember the website, but this does show the outline of an owl flown into a window. it apparently flew away, because they could not find the al. but the outline is clear because the owl had some kind of powder on its others or something. anyway, i will e-mail this to you guys. president olague: thank you for that. can you keep us posted on when this will be at the board? i think some of us may want to go and give support to the department recommendations. commissioner sugaya: ok. >> commissioners, we can move on to the director's report. the directors announcements. >> thank

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we have had better than a dozen earmarks, pardon me for using that word. for construction .her infrastructure program. congressman, we mede to stop people from coming up with initiatives. >> we need top 10 corporations to pay their taxesment wouldn't that be nice . stop off shore jobs and trade agreement to send millions was jobs. >> can you blame them, congressman. >> absolutely. i am for america, who are they for? >> they see little impous seeing the shenagins . you are pushed if you want to expand to south carolina, a nonunion state. what is in their about to repatriot that money if they are penalize. >> repatriot. means, america first and respect the country that gave you your birth. we are seeing corporations taking our jobs out. where is there loyalty? we ought to make sure they pay their taxes. >> why are they responsibility for scaring us out of this country. they are chasing jobs over seas because of regulation says and taxes not across the board, but certainly enough they little reason to stay here. they want to bring that money home but spanked if they do. >> let'

pardon me? yes. i think the bill has been introduced, but it has not gone anywhere. pardon me? >> anybody who votes against it, it is a matter of public record. are they entitled to remain there forever? >> my opinion has been when it comes to term limits that i think it is important for the voters to make that decision. that is the ultimate term limit. they have, especially in this last election, they have made this decision. my only concern with term limits is two-fold. at the state of arizona -- the state of arizona has term limits on their senators. if you are in for just a few years, then the bureaucracy runs the state. that is what i have been told. one thing i do not want to do is empower the bureaucracy because they already have a lot of power as it is. what i want to do is cut back the bureaucracy. we need members of congress to do the right thing. the same with the president of the united states. we need someone who does the right thing. they tell me we have to go. there is the hook. i want you to know i love you, i care about you. i am thank you came. get to micheleb

pardon me? anyway, we can change this by making it easier for artists to occupy. working with our sister organization, we can install public artworks. if you look behind you, you will see two of them freshly installed. we can also do what all of us are doing here today. it can mean celebrations. we certainly know how to do that. we can do more. everyone of you here can participate. let's broaden the scope and think about more than just market street. after all, cities have the capability of providing something for everybody when they are created by everybody. let's look beyond the central market corridor and the neighborhood, the community that already lives here. if you go down to the project office, you will see the gateway to the tenderloin. we do not mean to merely decorate our city's main street. that would be superficial. we want to help change lives. [applause] we want to do what we do best by inventing truly interactive art. we want to work with the residents of the district, creating art made by and for the people. we will need volunteers in order to acco

i spoke to their lawyer and other sources who are all confident that they would be pardoned. but having said that, relationships between the united states and iran are not good. iran doesn't want to do anything to help expedite america. >> ali, at this point do we know whether that eight-year sentence including the two year's time that they've already served? >> reporter: that hasn't been announced, but i spoke to the lawyer who said that without a doubt they have the time that they've already spent. he seems to think that they have been given a six-year sentence and the way mathematics is done here, there's a lot more to pray for. >> ali, what do we know, if anything, about the condition of shame in josh fattal? how are they doing? >> reporter: you know, it's sha rouded in seek kra see. they are pretty much confined in a cell with one another, from what we heard from sarah shourd. they are not in the general population of the prison. it can't be -- it's not the ritz, that's for sure. these guys are in a small cell, in a very notorious prison that's not known for its luxury.

. >> stephen: what if things are, if you pardon my latin (bleep).have to be grateful for the (bleep) parts, too. i think part of relationship to god is being honest about the (bleep) parts. but also. >> stephen: i find that offensive coming from a man of the cloth. excuse me. i have no standards. i have no standards but from the chaplain of the colbert nation. >> trying to speak your language staofrpblgts i understand. relating to the young. >> being honest in your relationship with god but being honest about things that are god. people come to god only when they are ready to complain or lament something rather than celebrating things or giving praise to god. >> stephen: like the fact i exist. >> it's something to celebrate. >> stephen: can we talk politics for a second csm god get the upper hand in the polls by going negative on one of his opponents. like running an ad against buda. fatso wants you to have nothingness. yahweh wants to you have everythingness. vote yahwae. >> i'll take it up with him. >> stephen: thank you. father jim martin. th wra

there is still hope the pair will be pardoned. the sentence was handed down during the muslim holy month of ramadan, a time courts traditionally show compassion and usually issued the last day of the holiday and ramadan ends this week. >>> another b.a.r.t. protest expected tomorrow is expected to cause more traffic problems. it is supposed to be at 5:00 tomorrow. this time they're continuing to demand b.a.r.t. disband its police force due to recent police shootings including that of oscar grant and charles hill and protesting the decision by b.a.r.t. to turn off cell phone service on trains and understands grou underground in san francisco. >>> what if we told threw is a place it is completely legal to launder money. a secret room in a san francisco hotel. mike anderson introduces us to rob, the world's only coin washer. >> hi. i'm rob holson. i'm a coin washer. we're here at the st. francis hotel in san francisco. we've been washing the coins here since 1934. the general manager noticed the coins were dirtying the ladies' white g

10, 12 days' time when prisoners are traditionally pardoned and relations between the united states and iran are so bad. iran isn't in the business of doing favors for the united states so they are in the next two eaks. thomas? >> if they point out they could be released on compassionate grounds. ali arouzi in tehran. good to see you. thanks. >>> tropical depression harvey is drenching central america. the next tropical storm front may pay a dangerous visit up north. current projections show that there is a chance that irene could make landfall on florida as early as friday. irene is currently a tropi chac could be reaching huicane-state status before getting to the states and the weather channel's alex wallace is monitoring the storms from atlanta. bring us up to speed. >>a absolutely. still following irene churning its way through the eastern caribbean. there it is working its way around the leeward islands. current sustained winds and 50 mile per hour winds and that pace should slow down as we work our way through time and here's that projected path of irene and by the time we ge