feel and i remember when people were in dubun remember when people were in dublin protesting the parnell square, the primary school there , square, the primary school there, and all those people were kept getting called far right and all stuff like this. and it was apparently. and i need to be careful because there's a few live cases going on. but you knew that there was a syrian man that had apparently been, you know, engaging with the police about an accused of doing the one in annecy. i think it was an algerian one that's going through the process in dublin. so then you have this fury. it's understandable. it's not michel. it's understandable. sure. >> but everything that you've said, everything you've said, michel , though, is precisely. michel, though, is precisely. look, and i wasn't there in the court and i haven't read a transcript as to what, for example, her defence lawyer put forward. but everything you've just said, a defence, by the way. >> well, actually, to be honest, that it's the wrong thing to say. it's indefensible. but what i'm saying is that defence lawyers will always put