for partiesones hit to change their perspective. we don't know that will be the case here. is come i'm sure there will be lots of news for you. emily: what is it like? steve: you kind of result the ip side and then go back to working on the technology side. don't know if that will be the case here, but that is sort of a typical resolution. we have planned our business assuming that is not the case and for us, it looks like upside and i think we are confident in our ability to execute. emily: you have shied away from letting this get to ugly in public. is that part of who you are or strategy? steve: first of all, it is very much what is going on. big companies have disputes all the time. they don't make it personal. we are in that category with a number of companies. what you see is what you get in terms of how we think about it. emily: you were recently involved in a very public situation with the ceo who does not enjoy being in the spotlight and that is the ceo of broadcom. the white house blocked it. how did you navigat it? steve: we spent a lot of time with shareholders