for him, a big ten party -- a big tent party was not just an electoral imperative, it was also a moral one. he knew if our party wanted to truly represent america, we could not ignore any part of it. my state hasn't voted far republican presidential nomination since george h.w. bush over 30 years ago. in 2014 when i was elected governor, we had the highest democratic registration in america. and in 2018, in a blue year, with a large blue wave we lost the house, we lost governor we lost seats in legislative bodies all across the country but i became the second republican governor to be re-elected in the entire 242-year history of our state. i did it by reaching out to everyone, including those who had never even considered voting for a republican before. in some places they had never even seen a republican before. too many in both parties have bought into the false narrative that the way you vote is predetermined by where you were born, where you live, the color of your skin, who you love, or where you worship. in this past election, the electorate was historically divided. republicans

safe party, the normalcy part of the anti trump party. and the thing is, once they're in that position, there are going to be people that they're going to need to answer to their own base is going to say, well, what about ending the war on drugs? what about ending these foreign wars are you can actually do anything about it. and when they predictably don't do anything about it, there's going to be a quite a reckoning and nic, i'm so glad there are been said that i think any politician this says i'm a status quo politician. is going to be destroying ok because it's the last thing people want is this that, oh, i mean, these political establishment, they are so my olympic make this, they have no idea what's going on in the country here. and nick, as much as you and i disagree on many issues, i have to agreement you to like health care that this is the rhetorical trick that everybody blames. you know, it's called socialism or single payer or actually you whole g.o.p. voters. a lot of them would like to have a lot better health care. ok. and y

then the free soil party. anti-slavery, and then the democrats and whoever was opposed the democrats had northern and southern wings. so you would basically have this divisions between party and then over slavery, and, you know that is inherently an unstable mix in a majority voting. and in both of these cases the house eventually decided to select their speaker through plurality vote. only time in history. that's the only way they could get out of the conundrum. and in '36, now coming into the civil war, pennington from new jersey gets elected. here it's actually kind of interesting. i mean, it's very, very different and much more, actually much more easy to understand. by '36, slavery was -- '36 congress, slavery was basically the issue and everyone was along a continuum about how strongly you felt about slavery with democrats basically a pro-slavery party by then. republicans, opposition party a dog stew of other parties not democrats are raid against slavery. and here the issue ended up being that a group

well the money behind these parties like 7 a 2 party system where they bet on both parties no matter who wins they have friends in high places so i think that's the dynamic here you have a 2 party system both of which are funded by the wealthy special interests so they get the audi tension we have debates sponsored by what's called the commission on presidential debates which sounds like a government agency in fact as a private corporation the 2 parties control. i don't think that's right it's not the way to really open up the political system is a good proportional representation you can use rank choice voting for multi-member districts to do that there's actually legislation in congress and that's something else we need bush. and was there is a lot of white hudson criticism voting for a party actually can create problems more problems and build and just wason the division because that essentially is stealing quote you know folks from parties that would actually when for example the republicans or the democrats in this particular case why it is so close in those states that was sayi

with the democrats being a proslavery party, the republicans and an opposition party and other parties who were not democrats arrayed against slavery. and here, the issue ended up being that a group of, let's call them republicans, just to make it easy, who were not quite as anti-slavery as the others, started playing chicken. they would vote for the democrats in a series of battles in order to try to move the republican party more to the left, away from the anti-slavery movements. the democrats noticed this. and unbeknownst to the republicans, on one day there are six guys playing chicken, voting for democrats, trying to play a mind game on the republican leadership. the democrats, with a few of the american party, which is pivotal here, they all ganged up and voted for the same democrat. they almost grabbed speakership away from the majority. it ended up not happening. pennington ends up getting the speakership. he is a more moderate republican than the person that republicans had been trying to get to be speaker. the 37th congress is really important because this breaks the pattern

party became a centrist party. and the 2 sides began to change their, their sort of demographic position. and degree of college education, someone had, did not use to tell you which party they supported. and increasingly, it does. college educated americans are voting democratic. people who only have a high school education are voting more republican. this is the overhanging issue, trump ism is and will be gone with donald trump. trump ism is not going to disappear. the pseudo populism that he used to get elected. he didn't make that up . republicans have been doing that for a long time. he swiped his themes from richard nixon and ronald reagan, openly make america great. again, that's from regen. the whole strategy of reaching out to the angry white working class that's from nixon. the republic republicans have been doing this forever. this is not him. typically, what happens in american politics is when a party loses, they go through a sort of self reflective period and what do we need to change in order to win t

there are two parties. the whig party and the democratic party. the whig party breaks apart into the northern and southern parts. but it breaks apart into more parts. and a lot of whigs in the north in the border states join another party. in a movement called the know nothing party or the american party. this is an anti-immigrant nativist party. this party is a reaction to the great wave of immigration of the irish and germans. they come for different reasons. the irish come because of the potato famine and the germans come because of the failed liberal revolutions of 1848. the germans are liberals they , are politically liberal. they come into the united states and the know nothing party has a platform. the platform is one plank. the plank is only nativeborn protestants, protestants, should hold public office in the united states. no catholics. and you have to be nativeborn. so it excluded all the immigrants from ever running for office in the united states. >> lincoln was pro-immigrant. dip --oln low the loathed nativism and the know nothings b

the party of lincoln is dead. the party of trump is a very dangerous party. i wish the party of lincoln were not dead. i think we thrive in a two-party democracy where both parties are operating within guardrails. latino voters have seen that these guardrails have been obliterated by a president who when he walked down the escalator of the trump tower five years ago, he started right away attacking our communities. and that is why i think we have a real opportunity and we have seen it and arizona and we are seeing it elsewhere. but we need to sustain it. that is exactly what we are going to continue to do. continue to climb the mountain in texas. we made progress in certain parts of the state. texas, i am certain, is going to be a real battleground state in 2024. here's the reason. one word. latinos. >> thank you, tom. i already have some questions from the audience. as a republican, is this the republican party of donald trump? >> yes, unfortunately, it is. i'm not very optimistic about the republican party returning to the classical conservatism that i join

party became a centrist party. and the 2 sides began to change their, their sort of demographic position. and degree of college education, someone had, did not use to tell you which party they supported. and increasingly, it does. college educated americans are voting democratic. people who only have a high school education are voting more republican. this is the overhanging issue, trump ism is and will be gone with donald trump. trump ism is not going to disappear. the pseudo populism that he used to get elected. he didn't make that up . republicans have been doing that for a long time. he swiped his themes from richard nixon and ronald reagan, openly make america great. again, that's from regen, the whole strategy of reaching out to the angry white working class that's from nixon. the problem republicans have been doing this forever. this is not him. typically, what happens in american politics is when a party loses, they go through a sort of self reflective period and what do we need to change in order to win th

i quit your party because your party has nothing to offer me. and i only care about me like donald trump cares about him.art now the reason he's not admitted to the president-elect that he won the election is because he r wants to hold onto something he ain't got. he stole the apprentice from mark bethea and he's done no good for people in the buildingo -- his buildings in atlantic city.time for >> okay, john. i'm going to join in. do you think it's time for president trump to concede this race? >> oh, certainly. i think it is nonsensical, and you know, one of the things i've learned over my years, with thil president, you have to demonstrate why he should do something because it's in his own best interest, and he's not terribly interested in helping . the party or anyone else. i think what he should he canis appreciate is he's hurting his s own legacy by doing this. and he's hurting the potential to hold the senate majority which i think would hurt his legacy by doing this. there's absolutely no basis for this. his time is running out and you'l

he did not bring the party together. trump has brought the party together. right, let the democratic party go to the left and let's make the deal and meet in the middle. you people have let us down a bad road -- let us down about road for 30 years. i'm tired of centrists. ?ost: is that what happened when republicans held the majority in the house, when you were there serving speaker paul ryan, is that the strategy and did it work? guest: that caller is a great example of the state of our politics. there is very little center. i would argue that there's very little dealmaking going on. we are very divided and both parties have largely taken the approach that you stick with each other and bring out your base and fire up your run voters and that the path ahead. volatile type of politics. but i would disagree little bit, does not lead to a lot of deals being made. what ends up happening is you have a breakdown in the legislative process because there's no compromise at any stage. you have to govern by crisis. i mean government funding aadlines, the fiscal cliff

that actually have members i mean what we have now are 2 major parties you tell the state which party you're in in order to vote in primaries there's no local organization no local chapter of the party no you don't agree to a set of principles and they do sort of party the join and you just tell the state which party you're in so the electorate is adam honest and disconnected from the political process. well donald trump's received unprecedented scrutiny from the us establishment and mass media during his 1st 4 years of pres presidency with some even calling him the most dangerous president ever walk downstairs reports however it ends the election trump will go down in history is vowed to drain the swamp build the wall and make america great again they'll remember him what they'll write about him will depend on the book the author the perspective if they loved him or hated each the greatest failure in the history of the united states the worst president is america has ever had. the worst and most dangerous president where were you in 27. when we had the worst president i would even ar

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they did. 47 to 52 ended up being the republican party in the democrat party. in which the parties were divided in three, four, five, seven way contests. there was a question, people were so ticked off at the end of these contests, that there was a question about whether the losers would come and vote for the winner on the floor, and they didn't vote. this was the biggest test, a stress dust up until 1891. so that's a stress test. so really, the last time the whole system pull apart was in 1923. and just to give you a really quick overview, because i've got five more minutes of me talking and then questions. 1923 you will recognize as being a period in which the republican party was divided between stalwarts, and they weren't called that by, then put the conservatives which was the largest group of the party, the progressives. and the republicans had taken ups lacking, and so the progressive ended up being, they were about 24 of them. there was only a 14 vote majority for the republicans. they wanted the leadership of the republican party to be more open and de

that actually have members i mean what we have now are 2 major parties you tell the state which party you're in in order to vote in their primaries there's no local organization no local chapter of the party no you don't agree to a set of principles and they do sort of party to join you just tell the state which party you're in so the electorate is adam honest and disconnected from the political process like i would as get back to the presidential race because pennsylvania is still counting votes there and could prove to be crucial the one that in 2016 reversing a long run democrat wins turnitin chavez has more on why the state swings between the tea party. pennsylvania with nearly 13000000 residents is arguably the single most important state of the 2020 but in many ways the keystone state mirrors the country while it's rust belt is dotted with a shuttered factories and rundown chimneys it's also a place of affluent liberal suburbs and conservative countryside reflecting a divided america i mean the devices in this sense going on in this country right now it's ridiculous and i don't

rather than for their own party. so i think if we can change the electoral system in place the electoral college with a national popular vote using right choice voting for presidential elections i think the greens will move way up and in the boat we get currently the state in the us is kind of how how it harkens mentioned it's people for trump and people who hate trump that's what they're voting about and they're there strategically choosing one of the major parties it's not that they necessarily agree with the platforms of those parties and was that there is a lot of wide hods of criticism saying for a party actually can create problems more problems and build and just wason the device and because that essentially stealing quote you know votes from parties that would actually when for example the republicans or the democrats in this particular case why it is so close and those states that were saying you know sometimes even less than a percentage point how would you react to people who say that if i had to choose we

wherever the chinese communist party operates. australia, it's large governmentstructure is lacking in certain key areas . it's built on countering foreign influence but organized against this threat , prime minister malcolm turnbull said he would not follow foreign influence that was corrupt, that is in line with ace that separates legitimate influence from foreign interference so let's coordinate, not only to compare notes but also to establish terms. despite the magnitude of the challenge we have leverage especially as the commonest party wants to ask us what other countries have you advanced technologies, world-class universities, international prestige. we must no longer give these away in hopes people will respond to our goodwill in kind. records show that transparency, reciprocity, fairness, accountability and the ruleof law . these are necessary guides to prevent that which continues to assault our societies from within. it is also importantó that our concern is not with the chinese people who we admire greatly but with th

not democrat party it's the democratic party i wouldn't call the republican party that republican party so i think we want to talk about tamping down some of the rhetoric we should also be respectful with respect to to the party the democratic party has always been diverse it is extraordinarily diverse even in this election cycle we saw that diversity unexplained display again so of course there are going to be parts of the party that don't always agree with each other that happens in both parties so i want to just point that out but it's a party that's the 1st racially it's a party that the various religiously sexual orientation gender all of those things and that's to me what makes the party great because that's reflective of america at the same time in terms of the rhetoric that that trump is offered about god's earth and that's and that you know rhetoric is one thing actions are another thing and in our country if the back suffering we had 200 we had 240000 people who are dead because of a pandemic that's raging and so it's it's one thing to say certain things but it's another thing

that will be very damaging for the republican party. a divided party never does well.at we are seeing at the moment is the republican party establishment humoring donald trump all the way out of the white house. and i think they will then make sure that whatever happens, he is not the nominee in 2024. >> doris kearns goodwin, has any individual ever dominated their party to the extent that trump seems to now? one thinks of t.r. who went out on his own. roosevelt, who in his fourth nomination didn't even attend the convention. >> well, what's different today, obviously, is the media and the access to the media and the oxygen that it gives him with the continual tweets by trump. you know, when he is out of power and that oxygen isn't there day by day, i think there will be a diminution of the power he holds over the other people in the party. the real question to me is you are going to have a lot of individual republican legislators in this next section of congress. are they going to feel the responsibility to do something about this crisis to put people back to work, to

that actually have members i mean what we have now are 2 major parties you tell the state which party you're in in order to vote in primaries there's no local organization no local chapter of the party no you don't agree to a set of principles and they do sort of party to join you just tell the state which party you're in so the electorate is adam honest and disconnected from the political process. with the ballot counting extremely tight less update you know and how it looks at this point democrat joe biden has the backing of 264 electors one his rival donald trump has 240 hold for winning the race is 217 votes now winning just one more state like nevada could mean victory for biden who is reportedly only 6 votes from his goal the state will continue counting in the morning while trying in order to turn the tide would have to take all uncounted battleground states some like north carolina and pennsylvania will not announce until late. i am. i am. turning to other world news now major members are returning to lockdowns following a record surge in covert cases with in some instances a

the: you talked about parties. your new book is about the two-party system. quickly, why do you think the country would be served by having more parties rather than what we have now, essentially two ruling parties. guest: if you look at what's been going on, this hyper partisanship. you can look at it in terms of this election issue which we've been discussing. when you have two parties competing for narrow majorities. do tolittle thing you can rig the vote in your favor becomes that much more important. and then once the other side starts doing it, you feel justified in doing it. that escalating hyper partisan warfare and it's been going on , including of areas elections. it's destroying our faith in democracy. it's become red versus blue america. when you think that half of the country is evil or dangerous because they support different party -- they support a different party, that creates a sense we just can't come together and solve the problems we need to solve. is anarty democracy alternative vision in which there are numerous parties and the coalitions

, if they are, and how that impact the party's view of itself.i don't know. i am sceptical that we can change the direction of the republican party any time soon but it is a fight that is worth having for at least the next 3— six months to see if there is an opportunity there. we may be able to pull away another segment of the republican party to our side of this debate and if so, i think there is potential for us this debate and if so, i think there is potentialfor us going forward. if not, then we will have to consider other options. i don't want to get too psychological here but lots of what you have been saying is premised on one fact, those people in the republican party who attached themselves to donald trump for whatever reason are now faced with a psychological dilemma, i suppose. if they reject that path and follow what you are saying, they are essentially having to reject part of their identity for the last four yea rs identity for the last four years and that is very difficult for human beings to do. that is true. for trump supporters

well this truly was the year to have a 3rd party win but there were no parties strong enough out there with any candidates to create any type of excitement because the reason was you had negatives on both sides that were so high you had people saying well i'm voting against trump or i you know i don't want that old sleepy joe biden. but the point was the 3rd party movement had no one to offer them anything and there's a growing sing out there that's happening right now called the people's party and it's starting to rise up and it's getting celebrities like susan saran bed and people of notoriety that are politically motivated like that are looking for a 3rd party because what you saw this year truly was picking the lesser of 2 evils john i want to get your take on the 3rd parties and even this 2 in a vat of as we are waiting for the results to come in it was really interesting if you take a look at the breakdown the essentially none of the above has got like 10000 votes in the state of nevada right now i should judge and i know just as you talked about this quite a bit but i want to as

that's not who we are as a democratic party that i know. can only speak for myself and the people i know within the caucus. but we should have denounced immediately when we said defund. we are not defunding the police, we are going to express more -- spend more and train more. it was not spoken by leadership. for whatever reason, they were silent, not knowing how to tiptoe around it, talking about looting and rioting. i would have brought in the national guard. i have the national guard at my beck and call. i was commander-in-chief of the west virginia national guard. i don't need the federal government to command officers that come in. we will not tolerate that. but you prevent that by happening because in areas that you know you have hotbeds of dissent, or this kind of anger and hatred buildup, you have to go there and bring those people to the table first and diffuse that before it gets lit. that's what wasn't done. but again, the soul of the democratic party did not denounce looting and rioting. so the republicans picked it up and made

not to the democratic party just. well and that's that that's absolutely correct and you know again look at as it really played screw the democratic party for my perspective joe biden should have run when hillary clinton rat i mean it's simply too late at this point in my view and so biden runs then he gets how will i have risk to back a mother and the whole thing is just a side show and from the perspective of strong i don't see him as a strong decisive leader i simply don't see that what i do see is the democratic party frailing all over the place it's like oh it cme that and all of this discussion for example the progressives and i get all of this kind of something psychologists you know what about the person who has to go to work every day it seems like you're forgotten about that person and i think that's a major part of what we have here and i think now that we find ourselves so close it chris or you're absolutely right and who would have thought that that the default position for somebody else people would be d

both parties have deep internal divisions, and the court is in both parties based populist challenges. is this the perfect recipe for a political realignment to discuss this and more, i'm joined by my guest, kevin chatters in washington, and he is an attorney and democratic strategist, and minneapolis we have and tom lazaro, he is founder of big 10 republicans. and in austin, we cross the west. benedict is a former executive director of the libertarian party, originally, rules in effect, that means you can jump in anytime you want, and i was appreciate it. he was going to kevin kevin, in light of the election results, which you say that the, the, me, the postulate politics is, destiny is in the dustbin of history. go ahead. we'll see what happens over. so i don't have an official where of course i am a leader to the president and i don't like to remind us even though we know who are rude, i think we have a lot of work to do honestly in america to get past this huge divide i think elections showed us how divided really are, were present shop reform, got the folks out. but unfortunately

it doesn't matter to me if we get them involved in the republican party or the democratic party. we need more people to pay attention and be involved in the process. i was 10 years old when my dad first run for congress. republican, then i was a teenage republicans, college republicans, president of the young republicans, now i am an old republican. [laughter] but my campaign was fueled by mostly young people and i brought in people into my administration that were really young. people said, wow, you have a bunch of kids working there. but they happened to be some of the smartest ones in the room. i was talking earlier about, a big portion of america being turned off by politics. i think nowhere is that more true than with young people. they just don't see how it's relevant to them and they don't feel like they can make a difference and they sort of just give up. they tune it out. we got to really work hard to re-engage them. they are the future. the next generation, i am more it that we don't have enough young people -- i am worried that we don't have enough young people that wi

so i need some help from you on how the parties against whom you have filed suit is a party who has the capacity to do what you have asked, even if it is warranted. >> thank you, your honor. yes. secretary benson is michigan's chief election official, of course -- secretary benson is michigan's chief election official. she does have the responsibility to oversee the conduct of the election. in fact, there was the western district of michigan federal case where they did in fact name secretary benson and they named a number of local election jurisdictions, and in that case, the secretary of state responded by saying the local election jurisdiction should not have been named, but she should be the sole defendant, and that is what was done. >> but what was the issue there? there have been so many. in every court of claims case, there has been two federal cases. there was a case filed regarding a mailing of absentee ballot applications. there was a case filed regarding the processing of absentee ballot application signator's, and a few others. i don't know what that case was about, but every

if there aren't that with that in there, that's their own party. that's what i will return and happy with that. but if the democrats something we always have a big tent, we want to hear from everybody, always, always look at the far left. see that my conscious and my comments, then i predict something, they're going something up maybe i didn't think about in a way that i didn't think about or didn't see it. so when, when i hear of these new green d.l. and medicare for all i've said about medicare for all city, we can pay for medicare for some right now the people who are paid into it. we have social security. every one of our trust funds are going to go broke. if we don't make some changes, let me ask you the job, the cheaper the what this change we can make the social security. take the cap off the tax. take the cap off the tax. if you want the wealthy to pay their fair share, take the tax off the cap. that gives us and financial stability for many, many, many years. the little things we can do and doesn't harm anybody. but we're going to leave th

party. there's never been a moment like this. where a party has gathered together refusing to admit who won a presidential election. this was not a particular close election. it's extraordinary. they won't even have their calms shops put out a statement congratulating the president of the united states. if enough of them did it it would put pressure on trump and this would be unsustainable. it's really amazing. they are not being asked to charge a beach or defend the alamo. all they have to do is say we know who won the presidency. and they can't summon the basic decency and courage to do that. with the result people are dying. it's amazing. there are children and grandchildren will study this as one of the great moral failures as a party and history. >> it's hard to argue that. if we counted on them to storm beaches. i can't believe we're living in time when an entire republican party has sub orned itself. it's not like he's a grand man. some great success in business or president. this is

they would say what party?hey would say democrat and they would flinch like i said something negative. like i turned another color. there is something wrong when working class americans have that response to a major party that is supposed to be fighting for them. what has the democratic party been standing for in their minds. in their minds the democratic party took on this role of the coastal elites who are concerned about policing culture issues than improving their way of life that has been declining for years. >> tucker: exactly. you would think they know that. they probably take uber like everybody else. how many uber drivers listen to fox radio. those are the people democrats say they represent but they are the people they ignored yelling about russia. democrats needs to figure this out right away. yesterday abigail an elected member of congress from virginia made that clear. >> today was a failure. it was not a success. [muffled audio]. >> tucker: whew! points out the truth. most of the democrats lost we

kevin: our party is very diverse and you mentioned two people who will join our party. and the only thing i would ask of you in a press, these are new members, give them an opportunity before you claim what you believe they have done and what they will do. i think it's fair for all. yeah? reporter: do you feel any of the legal efforts or the recounts will change the results in any single state or overturn anything related to the overall election? kevin: the folks heavily on the house races. i follow data numbers and i thought early on arizona based on the number of votes left out could switch back to president trump. don't know if that's going to be the case. i see things narrow. let me give you an example more on a microlevel because it's very difficult. i have in my own race in my county we have two congressional seats. they tell me there's proximate 150,016 and it's approximate but can't tell me in which district they are. i just watched a race in new jersey that the a.p. called and probably called way too soon. tom contain is coming back up -- tom cain is coming bac