i mean, duchamp and becoming the preparator at pasadena museum? i mean, this was a dream come true for me. joe goode: well, it's hard to explain, but working for walter hopps is a different way of working. glicksman: we would work all night and all day. where's walter? where's walter? where is walter? finally, at 5:30 or 6 in the evening, he would come in and says, "well, let's get to work," you know. then he would stand there like this and say, "i want a wall here." so, the next time he came, there would have to be a wall there all built, finished, painted, ready to go when he came back the next-- 6:00 the next evening. james eller: i used to work at the museum helping out, making a few extra bucks to maintain myself and my art. when we put together the large glass there, no one seemed to know how to put that thing together. and i just identified with it and i just dove into it and put it all together and i was thrilled just to be involved with the show and just get to know all of his work. it really affected me deeply. drohojowska-philp: what's

museum of american history, said, "why don't you come back?" and i said, "wait a minute. "i'm living in california. i got a house in pasadena. to the beach every saturday. why should i come back?" and he said to me that the smithsonian is the place you get to have the greatest impact if you care about history. and he convinced me to come back. david: you came back, but then you were recruited away run the chicago historical society. so you moved to chicago, is that right? lonnie: that's right. i was at american history for 12 years and wasn't going to leave, and chicago recruid me, and i really wasn't planning on going, but i had a meeting with the mayor and the governor of illinois, and they said, "this is a city that has been tortured by race. "and if yocould come and be the only african american "running one of our major institutions and do well, what an impact you could have." and that aealed to me, so i came back, and i came to chicago and loved it and had planned to stay there the rest of my career, when i got the call to think about, would you like to come back and help build the national museum of african american hi