history pashtoon geography pashtoon poetry this is a nationalist movement in their view they are simply trying to free themselves of foreign infidel invaders exactly like their fathers and grandfathers in order to have what they feel is a proper islamic government the taliban have become somewhat different. and that is it's a result of their ties to al qaeda. which is comprised of foreigners primarily. gyptian zx. chechens respects those from western china and even some from europe so al-qaeda is a different entity entirely it is strictly an interested in international jihad but the taliban have become because of their ties to al qaeda and because of the twenty four seven news cycle they have become far more international but deep down in their hearts they are interested in one thing and that is an islamic government and a pashtoon islamic government now i don't want to make this too complicated for viewers but for them the pashtoon are afghanistan and they were at war before we came with what we call the northern alliance the tajiks these are different ethnic groups in the north so thi

will his military remain faithful to him in the light of pashtoon taliban coming in.rent tribes. will they stay loyal and be effective? i think the problem everybody for sees and you can see it coming, that when we leave afghanistan a lot of things will happen. our military leaves. our ability to protect the civilian population that we are leaving behind, including our own civilian ngo aid workers, and then the final thing is will they be able to hold that country together? i think that is a huge question. bill: leon panetta who is exiting the administration said 9,000 troops should be left behind, and we'll see whether or not that is the case. your point is well-taken. put pressure on karzai to get his police and army together. but if you can't do it in time you're leaving a mess behind. >> you are leaving a huge mess. remember we have thousands of civilian workers there, hop workers, school teachers, who is going to protect them if we leave. bill: thank you kt. big meeting at the end of this week at the white house. martha what is next. martha: this is getting a lot