pat wasn't buying it.and charts and speculations boiled down to this. >> i think he went there and i think they got in some form of an argument, over what i'm not exactly sure. and i think that he caused her death possibly. >> and you think tom did it? >> i think there's a distinct possibility that tom did it, absolutely. >> reporter: pat moug is a fourth generation policeman. he believes, he says, that his is an effort to right a wrong. >> after three to four years of me asking nicely, i'm tired of asking nicely. i'm demanding justice for jennifer morgan. >> and so here it was. on a winter frigid night in livonia, michigan, in a donated theater in a giant suburban multiplex, the premiere of pat moug's "bold as a lion." it's a big crowd. pat has invited his many friends, many from law enforcement. finally, they'll get to see the work that's consumed three years of his life. >> i want to thank everybody for coming out. hopefully we're going to start a campaign to finally get justice for a girl that you're a

pat? >> very six pli. what mr. boehner ought to do is go back it his caucus and say the deal wasn't as close as the president ijdcated. there were good feature to it and the big deal is dead. now we're not going to let our country go into default and we will pass a six-month increase in the debt limit worth about 500 billion in cuts that have been agreed to by biden and others. and puss a six-month increase in the debt limit. and send it over to the senate and to the president. and let them decide the democratic senate, secretary president, whether they wish to put this government in default or who r whether they wish to put this go country into a position where half of it has to be shut down. put the full responsibility fon the side of the president and give him cuts and an increase in the debt limit. >> lit me interrepublican here. that would be the worst thing that kwn gres request k do. you know where that pults us, lights into the middle of the 2012 campaign kwh is exactly what these republicans want. the only

two wars. >> we know -- we know pat -- pat, we know. the president's got the last word. the president has the advantage. he showed it yesterday. he is not going to accept a deal that doesn't include some revenue expense -- >> bill, we have to leave it there. >> he doesn't have the cajones and you know it. >> he will shut down the republicans if necessary. republicans will get blamed for it just like newt gingrich got blamed for it. >> all right, let me summarize. pat buchanan challenging the president. pat buchanan saying ronald reagan was so wrong, what an interesting segment we had. >> he made mistakes. >> pat buchanan and bill press. you guys are great. thank you. >>> all right, when we come back, we've got a fight in minnesota. of course the republicans are scoring the rich as usual. but this time we have a democrat fighting back. we have a new progressive hero. i'm looking for a hero -- oh, my god, no more singing. >>> and bill clinton has a message for obama. fight. his strong words. we will show you them in a minute. >>> plus, was fox news born in the nixon white

going to get pat going. pat, you're not going to like this one. this is richard cohen, "washington post." but i think it raises a very important question. first i'll read it. someone ought to see the republican party. to a mental health professional. a specialist in the power of sensations and the like, the gop needs an intervention. it's become a cult. in order to become a republican, one has to take a pledge. the intellectual rigidity has produced a gop presidential field that's a political jones town. the grand ole party so named when it evoked america has so narrowed the base when it's become a political cult. it's a redoubt of certainty over reason. that's an extreme description except over the past couple of years, the president has given on major issues and promises from gitmo to the war in afghanistan. he's given on taxes. he mised a huge opportunity in my opinion there. why can't the republicans just open their minds a little bit, give a little bit. go back on a commitment to make something happen. >> obama is wrong. >> he's not wrong. >>

in washington, pat buchanan. still can't get over the poll that came out last week, everybody has been talking about it. michelle bachmann. >> this is nationwide, not just iowa. there was an iowa poll out last week that looked like this as well. michelle bachmann now almost doubling mitt romney's lead. i'm sorry. i'm skeptical that this is going to last. pat, what do you say? >> joe, take a look at that poll, again. add up the numbers of michele bachmann, rick perry, sarah palin, you get to 47, throw ron paul in there, it's over 50. there's a huge gap, wide open on the right socially conservative side of the republican party. mitt romney ought to watch himself, joe. i don't think he's going to get away with talking about just the economy, the economy, the economy. i have never seen an opening this wide with a front-runner that's a sen tryst. >> pat, i cannot believe michele bachmann came out of nowhere, a congresswoman out of nowhere and almost doubling mitt romney and everybody else in the field. what is going o

they've been trying to get him into the ax for months. >> hold on, pat. president obama speaks touches a nerve and caused soft-spoken like kansas republican senator pat roberts to say this -- >> maybe if he just 76 a valium and come down and talk to us, why, it might be helpful. >> question, is senator roberts right? >> yes, the president engaged in a lot of partisan -- some very funny, sasha and malia pulling an all-nighter -- but it was he slams the congress. it accomplishes nothing. this is mickey mouse, john. you ask who will be blamed. look at who said look, the whole thing will be -- if somebody is herbert lover mere and it goes down, do you think it's going to be john boehner that will be blamed by history or will it be barack obama who is in charge of the country and the economy? >> james, you realize we got the whole month of july to get through before we get to the august 2 dead like. what will we do with this matter? will we continue to debate this every week? that type of vitality in it? financial pages. new york times puts it with the shippin

i agree with pat. pat was saying he agreed with more.adline, it is. the markets are going to react negatively and horribly around the globe. he's doing the challenging thing. the challenge now, david brooks is right, they made the wrong trade here. the wrong bet. now the president is doing the presidential thing. the question now is, do you embolden the freshmen republicans so much that they believe going forward that they never have to negotiate, never have to get it. >> of course you do. >> of course you do. >> i'm not convinced you're right. but the data evidence suggests you're right. >> bill clinton taught us a lesson in 1995 about washington being the art of the possible. what the freshman will be taught here if the president collapses. again, i say this is a political analyst. a small government conservative. >> six months from now, we'll have to have this conversation again. >> why would it go differently? >> can i read from this, "the new york times," the republican wreckage -- >>> the republicans won this debate because people

have gotten patted. >> you bet she should have gotten patted down. >> leave it there. >> and up next, safety goggles, check, high victim work force, check. lighter and pipe. check. >> union workers getting high and drunk on a work break. someone here says this is the best thing for the job market? you've got to find out why. [ male announcer ] introducing the ultimate business phone -- the motorola expert from sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it lets you access business forms on the go, fire off e-mails with the qwerty keypad, and work securely around the world so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it's the android-powered phone that mixes business with pleasure. so let's get our work done, america, so we can all get back to playing "angry birds." the motorola expert from sprint. trouble hearing on the phone? visit sprintrelay.com. >> coming up, union workers getting high on a break, give me a break. and some here are >> here they are, steps away from the the union hall doing their thing. check out the g

okay. >> pat buchanan what did you learn? mike. >> you've been watching the washington nationals. never touches him. >> got pat on my side. you're in trouble now. >> he was tagged prior to that shot. this is like the 1990 red sox game. he's out! >> let me ask the guys in the room. besides you, is he in or out? in or out? safe. >> doesn't matter. it's in the books. >> look it up in the books. red sox win. >> i do love the red sox. >> and jeter. great guy. >> it's "morning joe". we'll see you back

it's just oh, there's pat.ght need extra help getting around from time to time, or might bump into somebody once in a while. >> he comes in, he knows the whole gym. he can navigate three floors we have in this gym. >> the only thing i would do differently than other people, i kind of have my cues around the gym as far as where i am. i know by feeling with my feet sometimes i'll be able to tell a different raised spot in the floor. the dumbbells when i grab them, i know the thickness of them versus being able to read on them what the weights are. >> there are extra challenges. you have to be able to verbally walk him through exercises. normally you take somebody through a workout, you tell, show them and then do it for them. well, to show them and then to do it for them, it doesn't really apply to pat. but pat picks up very well. >> i always wanted to do a body building competition. and looking at the whole big picture, it's a way to overcome a challenge, and inspire others. >> i think, wow, people, no one has a

pat buchanan was then the ron paul of the republican party, running hopeless campaigns for presidenthat won him a lot more votes than ron paul could ever dream of. >> tim, did we factor buchanan into this at all? if republicans abandon dole, do they revive the buchanan candidacy? perhaps tim is taking a coffee break. that's okay. do you think buchanan can go to the convention now and say i'm still here? >> buchanan is doing that. he's in the paper today says ross perot can take my voters. what he means by that is republican party better pay attention to me or my voters are going to go to ross perot. that's a strong argument at this point, and the republican party has to desperately figure out what to do with buchanan. >> pat is going to say wait a minute, if bob dole drops down in a throe-way race, what difference would a four-way race make? i don't think that will happen in the end. pat buchanan wants to be president of the united states, he's going to run in 2000, he doesn't want to antagonize people by being disloyal, but with bob dole perceived as a "weak nominee," pat buchanan i

pat's right about that. the tea party people would be happy to see $100 billion cut out of the next budget which is in the bill that's up this week, even if that leads tos 700,000 lost jobs. happy top do safety inspections, environmental protection. kniss is what they want to do and stand by -- >> let's get back to reality. back to reality -- >> no. this is the reality, pat. >> david, what about -- >> david, hold on. let pat make his case. >> let me ask you this, chris. the republicans, say the mcconnell plan has a trillion or a trillion and a half in budget cuts in it. >> i don't think it does. >> in the house it passes. they send it to the president. he's going to veto it, shut down the government and puts if default? come on. >> the whole idea, mcconnell's, separate cuts from spending -- separate the ideological war fair fr faire to keep the country from debate. dress up lie indians and put on a show. they're running around burning down houses. it's a different type of tea paenchts they threw the tea in t

but i agree with pat, they're going to do it. and they're going to behave the way washington typically behaves in these situations. they will do the very least that they have to do, and then they will use the famous phrase, kick the can down the road. i agree this was an historic opportunity. it may not be entirely lost. there's still a couple weeks left. and the republicans just didn't know when to say yes. all they had to give was not raising the upper tax rate, all they had to do was close some of those tax loopholes. you can't have a negotiation where one side does all the compromise and the other side gets their own way. if and i think politically the president has driven that point home and i think he wins this political skirmish. i think the republicans will regret the fact that they overreached this time. >> what about the impact on world markets? >> well, i don't think -- if you nip the deadline you would not have default. you would have to cut government expenditure by $40% and that's just not plausible. the problem her

income here he's getting the pat down also i mean that's it's insane i mean. well that's your point and we had to just say i thought you were saying they were gathering as minders on the rumsfeld getting ok last question quick fire this is just you know one sentence yeah i keep asking people this and i could not get an answer can any one of the three of you name one shared sacrifice that the republicans are offering that they put on the table sure indeed in the ryan budget there they will that means testing social security and medicaid which would mean that wealthy people would not get the money to put in chris cuomo so the wealthy people lose a thousand dollars and i think i read somewhere that there was a writer proposed that they would write their cigars with five dollar bills on her car because that's that's a pretty big yeah that's actually look at the talk on the table now that there can be two trillion dollars cuts i think most republicans want six trillion they want a whole budget they were able to hold deficit seem to be paid off so and so i think len

it was on a deal he made. >> pat buchanan. >> hi, pat. >> how you doing, steny?think, boehner is working hard. we don't want to play politics with it and he doesn't appear to have enough votes in his own caucus. has he come to you saying steny, i may not be able to get 217 in my caucus, i can get 205. can you deliver the votes for me to put the bill that i put together across to the senate and what would be your price for it? >> we have had such discussions. i have said publicly that if we could work together, then i would certainly try to help pass a bill as we did with the continued resolution, the bill to get the government running. it's our responsibility. i told john, i said we have to work together on this. again, let me go back to the newt gingrich speech. what we have now is the perfectionist caucus squared, if you will, or tripled where john boehner has a group of people who believe their way is the correct way and they are not prepared to compromise in any way. i didn't deliver the votes for what they want. john is having trouble delivering votes for th

i ask you, pat. >> 10 to 15 million. because we've got a labor force that is growing at the same time you've got something like 24 million people who are unemployed or underemployed. half of those have to get back to work. so i say close to 20 million jobs will center to be created, john, in the next 10 years. >> you think this -- >> 20 million jobs is what clinton created in his years. and george w. bush had actually negative job growth. and when this president took office, we were still losing jobs. i think at the rate of 800,000 a month for those first several months. this job growth is extremely weak. nobody is happy about it. but the awful truth is there isn't a lot that this government can do about it. maybe you have some secret ideas. >> no, they're not secret. there are a number of things that could be done. they should have been done at the beginning of the downturn. >> like what? >> like an infrastructure bank and get huge infrastructure programs underway. those are job multiple fliers, not just job savers. too

pat? >> thanks, tom. >>> there was a deadly pedestrian accident this morning near landover road about 5:30. by the time police got to the scene, the victim was unconscious. he died from her injuries. the driver did stay on the scene. no charges have been filed. >>> you may want to steer clear of one major thoroughfare in southeast washington for the next couple of days. branch avenue is closed at pennsylvania avenue so crews can rebuild that road. megan is live on the scene in southeast with more on what consumers can expect. >> reporter: you can bet it isn't going to be good. take a look behind me. all the construction active we have here. this is on pennsylvania avenue. this is on ongoing project, but it's now going to move a little further up the street here to the intersection of branch avenue and pennsylvania avenue. now, the lanes on pennsylvania avenue will not be affected, but what will happen, in fact, it's already happened. they've shut down branch avenue on both sides of pennsyl

pat buchanan what have you learned?. >> and what about you? >> nasa is a big friend of the "morning joe" family. way too early on thursday, the shuttle "atlantis" landing live. >> exciting. mika? what have you learned? >> that pat buchanan is not just a wealthy man. he's a job creator. >> schae job creator. >> and you know, mika, i learned, and that the media, there's a media blackout on the type of stories that won pulitzer prizes during the bush

the one thing we know is pat will see it as a victory. i think each party will have to give up something, and the leaders, john boehner and the president, will be seen as historic partners in a deal that finally begins to try to deal with the deficit that was handed to this president. >> 3 trillion deal, no tax increases, obama folds on the revenue issue. that gives the republicans cover to vote for an increase. >> right on, right object. 3 trillion. >> in effect, both parties have to agree because it's going to be tough enough across the board that unless you have bipartisanship on this thing it will never get done. so it's going to be in the >>> issue two. rupert's humble pie. >> this is the most humble day of my life. >> media mogul rupert murdoch and his son james answered questions this week before members of the british parliament. the murdochs were grilled about accusations of cell phone hacking and bribery. members wanted to know what the murdochs knew and when they knew it. murdoch was asked by members how and why these events oc

pat buchanan is right. pat is a pretty smart guy, al.take the deal to have a bill with no revenue through 2012. raise up the victory flag and declare victory. i believe it would be a hollow victory because i believe we fight them out in the 2012 election and kill them in the 2012 election and they can claim victory. >> the president put it all on the table. put everything they wanted on the table. but how do you talk to guys that watch ben affleck movies, get their ski mask ready and say, we got to hurt somebody. it'sç not an easy crew to negotiate with. >>> ahead, the tea party is rebelling against boehner. is his job in jeopardy? you'll hear what he says about it. >>> and michele bachmann claims to hate government spending. but we caught her taking another handout. that con job revealed next. ♪ ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you makes me happy ♪ when skies are grey ♪ you'll never know, dear ♪ how much i love you ♪ please don't take my sunshine away ♪ [ male announcer ] as long as there are babies, they'll be chevy's to bri

i appreciate that. >> you have a question for pat as well? >> i think the business model in the media always changes. the big one that everyone has seen in their lifetime is, when i was a kid, tv was free. across america, it was funded by advertisers. today, the vast majority of americans pay a fee to get television. if the contact mix is right, hard journalism, entertainment, people will pay. all along the spectrum from the complete the paid to be completely ad-funded, you see it all today. one of the crisis we have now is the old model of classified advertising, paying for hard news journalism on paper has broken the, and is being replaced. that business model change had been a constant for 150 years. there are millions of models that work, and will be, and capital can chase them, as you get a 10x return, as you described. >> we want to get to everyone's questions. >> my name is alex. i have heard two major themes about new media. one, that it has a radical democratic potential, low barrier to entry, but i have also heard repeated again and

i'm joined by nbc's political analyst karen finney and pat buchanan.ew poll out there that shows that 34% of people will blame the president if the debt celling is not raised. but 48% will blame republicans. does that mean that the president is winning the political battle? >> so far i think the president has won the battle hands down, he's got the pr advantage, he's got all these weapons and tools of the bully pull pipit over th himself and geithner and the ratings agency saying everything's going bad, but we haven't ended this battle yesterday and while the president's winning now, i think the winner in one sense is going to be eric cantor in the house because he solidified a tremendously powerful base inside the republican party, he's become more well known and more popular. and i think the president is going to lose to this extent. we're going to get no new taxes, we're going to get a debt ceiling raised and we're going to get significant cuts in the budget. quite frankly when you're chopping the budget of the federal government and no new taxes, t

pat is master of the english language. he knows damn well he isn't tell the truth when he says the president wants it raise taxes. he does not want to raise taxes. pat cannot tell one fax that president is raising. we have to raise the debt ceiling. everybody fr everyone agrees. this is big for the republicans. never done before with a long-term budget plan to bring down the deficit. now everybody agrees also there has to be a balanced approach. they agree to $1.6 trillion in cuts and what the president is saying is there's $400 billion in tax subsidies. tax give ways, as al you mentioned, tot hedge fund managers, that we can no longer afford. now if republicans don't buy that, as david brooks said nothing in the new york times, they are idiots. they don't know how to govern. they won. they ought to take this deal. >> mr. brooks, conservative columnists, is saying come on. you are marginalizing yourself. can't even you even hear from your own people that ideal logically agreed with the republican line. >> well, look, rever

what we saw today, pat might want to call it sabotaging the republicans. it is chief executive staring at the -- going over the water fall. and you know, we are not just talking about raising the debt ceiling and whether to do this short term or long-term. the ratings agencies have made it clear that short term deal is not going to be acceptable to them. s & p has began on record saying this they would like to see a debt ceiling increase and cuts in the range of $4 trillion. if they don't see that they will consider a downgrade of the united states bond rating. if that happens for the first time in history from triple a to double a that have have severe consequences for the united states. if you are barack obama -- and i also want to say, if you're speaker boehner and senate majority leader reid, mcconnell and cantor, if you are looking that, you have to stop playing political games and stop wet heated rhetoric and get into a room and solve this. >> jonathan, let me follow up with pat for a moment. when you say there is agreement relative it cuts necessary

joining me now, pat buchanan, also joining us democratic strategist and cnbc contributor morris reid. gentlemen, good morning. >> looking at this plan, isn't it nearly everything republicans have wanted? and if so, why is it expected to be doa in the house? >> it hasn't come over back over to the house yet. the house passed a bill last night, which the senate killed. one of the problems with harry reid's deal is the same one the representative just mentioned who was on the show, mr. grimm of new york, and that is that harry reid's bill contains a lot of fraud. if we get $1 trillion in cuts by not having war in iraq and afghanistan beyond when we're not going to have war, you know, we're not going to attack pakistan, they can declare that as a saving too. but here's the problem, and the congressman stated it well. there are aspects of the two plans that are acceptable, and the president has vetoed those, and that is why mitch mcconnell is saying to harry reid, look, you're not going to impose your plan on a senate, 47 members who are republicans, we're going to have to deal. and i thin

then said she would need to be patted down. her daughter marian malone was with her. >> i asked, i said, why are you doing this? and the woman was very polite and said, i don't know. maybe the scanner detected something, or maybe she moved. she said it would be in-depth. she started the pat down and at that point she asked mom to spread her legs. mom stood there with her legs spread. and she checked every place thoroughly. >> you know, all her body. you know. her crotch and her breasts and everything else. >> reporter: joe, her son, believes security w wt too far. the daughter says the officers were polite, but they could have done more to protect peterson's privacy, by patting town those private parts away from the public. >> to me, i can't understand with all the people in an airport why they would pick out some little old lady. >> reporter: marian is all for security, butor those she says who might actually pose a threat. >> this is really tough to decide. >> it is. >> because at the same time a terrorist wouldn't discrimina

here's the question to you, pat. is it not reasonable for millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share? >> i think as far as i know, they're paying 35% where half the country doesn't pay any income tax at all. to the point, the battle we got going here, alex, the president is i think using language beneath the level of his office, but it reflects a deep frustration because at the end of this battle, he knows what he's going to get is very serious budget cuts, sort of a biden plan, no tax increases and an increase in the debt ceiling. and if he gets that in the middle of july or late in july, he's going to have to sign it. but there is no way he can beat a tax increase out of the republican house because they simply won't pass it. >> now, here's an interesting angle as well, karen. ronald reagan says he never would have agreed to tax hikes if he'd known that the revenue would go to more spending. so, if there are tax increases this this package, would kind of guarantee would there be the money goes to the deb

we sit at his feet and listen about stories about sara and pat and nollen. that is my brother, my sister, and me. we thought we were just as clever and smart and just as brave as the children in his story. he told stories vaguely familiar, but different some how because he told them his way. you see, i had no idea my grandfather was a functional illiterate and encouraged all 3 of us, his grandchildren to read. the way he encouraged me, he'd say y'all read to me what they taught you up at the schoolhouse today. i would whip out my dick and jane. see jane run. run, he endured that. he allowed me to read to him. i had no idea in other families the adults read to children. in my house, children read to the adults. imagine the confidence they gave me in my readings. i loved to read out loud. enjoyed it immensely. so i would read dick and jane all the way up to julius caesar. when i came to a word difficult, he would say work with it little sister. he wouldn't jump in and tell me. he would let me work it out so i did. i learned to jump into words. that built my co

pat and morris, thank you so much. thank you. >>> up next, we'll get the republican side of the argument and how the world is reacting. back in three. 2020, 50 billion network devices will roam the earth. that's seven devices per person. this will change how we work in ways we've never before imagined. what do you need to secure your people, their devices, and your business? a network that can evolve and grow to protect your human network. >>> the u.s. debt crisis is rattling nerves around the world. world leaders from europe to asia are concerned that their economies will become collateral damage if the u.s. defaults or even if the united states' sterling credit rating is tarnished. one country that so many are watching, china here. >> reporter: yeah, china seems to be the one that has the most to lose, because it's the largest foreign holder of u.s. treasury. more than a trillion dollars worth. and it also depends on americans to buy chinese exports. they're saying that the ugliest part of the saga is the world, bein