but was pat pressured by pat. >> it was him telling me to do something that i did not want to do.ty and that undercover recording. she says she was playing along out of fear of what vince might do. >> i started getting scared. that this man was going to show up at my door. that this man look ill. that this man will hurt my children. >> you want david killed? >> never. >> but prosecutors said that chrissy knew exactly what she was doing. they said that the proof was in that undercover recording from the final staying. >> does it look like an accident? >> no. no. >> what does vinita her? i shot him in the head like you wanted me to. >> what does this woman say? >> okay. >> the state close with this. killing david was a win-win for chrissy. she would get the proceeds of his insurance policy and something else. custody of, she would get to keep the four girls. >> were you concerned that there was a chance that chrissy would be found not guilty? >> we are still both very anxious. >> after weeks of testimony, the jury started deliberations. and in just a few hours, the verdict wasn't. >

pat downs requires sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron. 4 news. >> flight attendants with southwest airlines picketed outside the oakland airport today. they are demanding the airline agreed to a new contract after they say negotiations been going on for 4 years now they're asking for better pay and benefits and improvements to their working conditions. flight attendants say that since the start of the pandemic, their jobs have gotten a lot harder and that rising inflation is making it tougher for workers to make ends meet. >> it was a fight it and it's like a job. change plan for us. you know, everyone's dream of traveling read a note that it's not what it is anymore. southwest is a rapidly changing airline and the contractor when the most 6 years about doesn't that operation that today? >> federal mediators have been brought in to help both sides reach some sort of an agreement. the union says they expect to meet with them i

pat downs requires sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron. 4 news. >> the north bay sonoma county is loosening their restrictions on homeless encampment as the populations continue to grow. now, the homeless were not allowed to camp in the county at all, but now they're allowed to form encampments as long as it is done overnight and not in public spaces like county parks and highways and roads and they will also not clean up encampments or cite them without giving them some notice. the county says they made the decision after a census of the homeless population. so did increase by 5% since 2020. the county will have to vote on this ordinance a second time in a future meeting. well, a homeless advocacy group is suing the city of san francisco over it sweeps of homeless encampments with lawyers committee for civil rights of the san francisco bay area and others filed a lawsuit in federal court yesterday. the complaint states that s

pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting live in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt. kron. 4 news. >> thank you, rob. a coming up, how our community came together to help the family of an uber driver gunned down in oakland's little saigon neighborhood. flight attendants demanding a new contract after they say the job has become much tougher since the start of the pandemic. what they're asking for if it will affect your next flight. also were small dog was snatched by a coyote in a local park. how the owner came to the rescue. more than $100,000 have been raised for the family of an oakland man who was shot outside his home in july. kron four's haaziq mod-yoon has the details of how the community came together to help. >> a crowdfunding effort raises over $116,000 for the family of patrick low. back on july 17th, the 52 year-old uber driver was shot to death while seated in his vehicle outside of his home oakland's little saigon district. this gun violence

sin well said pat and i just wanted to share september 24 is a very big day for two reasons. today september 24, 2001 the fbi turned over the site to the local law enforcement community and it's also the day in 2002 that george w. bush has been mentioned but the memorial into law. september 24 just a few weeks ago what we did was we brought back, we sent out an invitation nationwide to every single first responders who was on flight 93 during september 112001 through september 24, 2001 and i'm happy to say we have about 100 hurt he individuals many of whom flew in to the coast from texas. we had retired state trooper is an fbi agent said red cross firefighters. the mortuary group they came and as well as to if the i chaplains out of the pittsburgh division who were there from day one and still on the job. so we have wrought together a combination. and we called a thank you 924 and it's a beautiful beautiful event on a friday afternoon and it culminated with family members inviting all 30 of those individuals to the crash site to the boulder and prayer in moments of silence an

dan jarvis, is that a man in the video getting the extensive pat down. jarvis's steffi has hearing device implants. that means he isn't able to go through a tsa scanner. that incident happened at sfo. jarvis is from australia. he was traveling to salt lake city after vacationing here. kron four's rob nesbitt talked with the group advocating not only for dan but for the deaf community. >> i went to the felt and instituted a and alameda they advocate for and provide mental health services for people who are deaf or hard of hearing a lot of shaking heads of felton when staff watch the video for themselves uncomfortable to watch and uncomfortable to live through for dan jarvis. the death man having a tsa agent feel as general area nearly 5 times at sfo. >> i showed the viral video on tiktok to president and ceo of the felton institute. al gilbert. not only is it totally unjustified, but it is ridiculous. cochlear implants can be damaged passing through a tsa scanner, which is the reason for pat-downs from agents. but gilbert says there's no reason for someth

pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron. 4 news. >> 6.21 and the south and 99 year-old woman can't get the mobile scooter that she wanted because a burglar broke into an wheelchair shop in san jose and got it first the burglar seen on surveillance. you can see right here. he broke the glass and then wheeled away the $3,000 electric scooter that the owner says the woman was looking to buy and now she's going to wait like 6 to 8 weeks for another one because they're on back order. >> well, police in san francisco are looking for a man who was waving a knife at a muni bus driver yesterday morning. it happened at the corner of california street and van ness avenue. police say there's been some sort of argument between the 2. the suspect left the bus and ran off without hurting anybody. the driver's, ok, no arrests have been made. we'll take a break at 6.21, coming up on the kron. 4 morning news. oakland's police chi

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pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron. 4 news. >> well, this just into the newsroom. 2 people have been arrested in connection with the fatal shooting of rapper pnb rock and police are still looking for a 3rd suspect. freddie lee trone remains at large this afternoon. that's this man here. a minor under the age of 18 and a woman. 38 year-old sean tell trial and were arrested tuesday in connection with the murder. la pd say all 3 of the suspects were involved in the robbery and fatal shooting of rock. whose real name is rick. allen allen was eating at roscoe's chicken and waffles in south la on september. 12th when he was shot multiple times and killed. investigators believe he was targeted for his jewelry and his location was learned after his girlfriend posted a photo of their location on instagram. 12 20. we want to get your check of your forecast here at home. taking a live look outside across downtown san

pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. reporting in the newsroom. i'm rob nesbitt kron. 4 news. >> well, flight attendants with southwest airlines picketed outside oakland international yesterday demanding a new contract. they've been talking with the airline for about 4 years now and still no deal. they want better pay. they want better benefits and they want better safer working conditions. the attendants say that since the start of the pandemic, their jobs have gotten a lot more dangerous and a lot more difficult to not to mention. rising inflation has made it tougher to make ends meet. >> it was a crazy time fight it and it's like a job. change plan us. you know, everyone's dream traveling read a note that it's not what it is anymore. southwest is a rapidly changing airline and the contract. but when the 6 years about doesn't that operation that today? >> well, federal mediators have been brought in now in the union says it's expecting to meet with him n

and pat cipollone said yes. know, i'm naming her that and i'm giving her security clearance. and then shortly before we left was when cipollone and/or hershman and whoever the other young man was said you can name her whatever you want to name her and no one's going to pay any attention to it. >> how did you respond -- how did the president respond to that? >> something like you see what i deal with? i deal with this all the time. >> the meeting was extremely heated with cipollone arguing against the special counsel idea and against seizure of voting machines. >> can the federal government seize voting machines? it's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. there's no legal authority to do that. the three of them were forcefully attacking me, eric, derek, and we were pushing back and we were asking one simple question as a general matter. where is the evidence? >> what response did you get? >> a variety of responses. like what do you mean where's the evidence? you should know. >> there

pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. tsa officers use the back of the hands for pat downs over sensitive areas of the body. in limited cases, additional screening involving a sensitive area. pat down with the front of the hand may be needed to determine that a threat does not exist. jarvis says that when he brought up his discomfort, but the agent that did change their behavior, but instead of backing off, instead, he claims they escalated their direction and pressure up and around his private in the newsroom. ella sogomonian kron. 4 news. >> ella, thank you for that. still ahead tonight, raising taxes on millionaires. the effort that will be on the ballot in november. what the money would go toward and who's against it. the twitter whistleblower testify sweater revealed before congress about the social media company's security flaw. sluss california's new tool to help abortion access for those in abortion access for those in and out of the st have you see

pat moynihan worked for kubrick humphrey actively promoting him but what caught nixon's attention was a speech that moynihan gave 18 months earlier to the ada, american democratic action. >> it was the wheelhouse of democratic politics and moynihan said in 1967 and 68 with paralyzing with close to what we have today. you had race riots and in over 100 american cities. you had extremes on the right-wing and the left-wing. moynihan gave a speech in said look our democracy and their institutions are fragile and they are at risk. he said liberals must come together to work and to find a way to work together to protect the institutions to help build the confidence of the american institution. he was sort of like edmund burke and away. he and my book was a true conservative. he served governmental structure of values and you have to look at what people's needs are and address those needs but at the same time to understand society is made up of what he called little to -- like the knights of columbus for this society which we belong or the school alumni. nixon then moynihan clicked and nixon

pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. tsa officers use the back of their hands for pat downs over sensitive areas of the body. in limited cases, additional screening involving a sensitive area. pat down with the front of the hand may be needed to determine that a threat does not exist. jarvis tells us that when he brought up his discomfort with the agent and his behavior, it did change. but instead of backing off, he escalated his direction and pressure up and down his privates. so we'll see if tsa responding to this particular incident in the studio. ella sogomonian kron. 4 news >> alright, l a still ahead on kron. 4 news at 9, a top gop senator says he wants to enact a federal ban on abortions. plus, stocks they took a tumble today as concerns grow about inflation. and governor newsom out with a new ad targeting voters. what he's pushing ahead of election day. prop 27 isn't a solution to homelessness. 90% of the money goes to out-of-state corporations. th

investigating january 6th, pat cipollone, pat philbin.nd what this says to you about where the investigation is going? >> well, hallie, this is the grand jury that's looking into january 6th and trump's interference of the 2020 election. what we think they might say is what we're gathering that from what pat cipollone already told the january 6th committee and congress who is investigating the insurrection as well, and from that testimony we understand that pat cipollone and pat philbin instructed the president he should not fire his then attorney general william barr in order to find someone to put in the position who might look more closely into these allegations of election interference, that they actually threatened to resign if he, in fact, did that, and that they also instructed him on january 6th to come out with a definitive rebuttal to try to tell these people in no uncertain terms they should not resort to violence and go to the capitol and they should go home. they wanted that quickly and wanted the more aggressively than the p

pat cipollone, pat phil bin, mak short, greg jacob. they all went into the grand jury in recent weeks and certainly questions could not answer because donald trump wanted to claim privileges over them. on top of that, there's lots of things happening in this investigation where other people could be affected as witnesses by how this plays out, what the court ultimately decide here, especially lawyers who were working with donald trump. we know that there were at least two lawyers who work with trump who have had their phones seized, epstein and john eastman. so a lot of the ability of the justice department to get to information may hinge around this fight. >> and i know you will be covering this fight for sure. thank you so much. we appreciate it. joining me is former white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. you're a former lawyer, you also worked in the trump administration. you can provide unique insight here. do you have think trump's attorneys have a case here? >> thanks for having me. probably. it's very unclear. there's a bunch

and nbc news has confirmed former white house counsel, pat cipollone, and his deputy, pat philbin, are testifying tomorrow before a federal grand jury investigating the insurrection. today, a retired nypd officer received the longest sentence yet in a case related to the capitol riot. thomas webster, he now faces ten years in prison for attacking a d.c. police officer with a metal flagpole. today, donald trump said, he is offering financial support to some of the january six defendants and he also made this promise if he is reelected. >> i will look very very favorably about full pardons if i decide to run and if i went, i will think very strongly about those pilots. i think it's probably going to be the best. because a even if they go for two months or six months, you know they have sentences that have longer than that. >> a man? oh boy. we got questions. let's get smarter with our lead off pat panel. -- investigative reporter with the washington post, former federal prosecutor glenn kirschner who has tried hundreds of cases and his 30 year career. and msnbc legal analyst katie fang,

by the time you are subpoenaing people like pat cipollone, pat philbin, prosecutors have already beend here is our probable cause that a crime was committed. we are investigating this potential crime, and so that ends up giving these prurosecuts more of a window to question these witnesses in a way we don't see in the congressional committees. >> sara murray, thank you as always. joining us now cnn contributor john dean, white house counsel during the nixon administration and star witness at the watergate hearings. both pat cipollone and pat philbin testified to the january 6th select committee and the hearing shows they pushed back on the efforts to overturn the 2020 election and opposed the attorney general to look into false claims of election fraud. how damning could their potential testimony be for the former president? >> well, they have a lot of knowledge. they certainly have knowledge of the scheme to replace the attorney general with a pliant lower level department of justice assistant attorney general. they have knowledge of the fake elector scheme. they have knowledge, i th

we're talking about pat cipollone and pat philbin. and ali vitali has some information about that. ali? >> reporter: yeah, andrea. yet another addition to the conversation that you're having and yet another salvo in what doj is doing on these investigations into donald trump, specifically this one around the overturning of the 2020 election results or the attempts from the trump campaign to do so. and of course around january 6th. we're now learning from a source familiar telling our peter alexander that pat cipollone and pat philbin, two top white house lawyers from the trump administration, will be speaking before a grand jury tomorrow. it comes really at a time that we have rare insight into what they might be able to tell the department of justice. doj loves to do this stuff behind closed doors but the public has the benefit of the transparency lent by the january 6th investigation where pat cipollone has been a key witness. someone they have shown the public multiple times over the course of their committee hearings and someone who can speak to what was going on both inside th

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and now, honored madame speaker, i yield to my fellow new yorker, pat ryan. [applause] >> thank you. i know, i know. >> madame speaker, i think mr. nadler for those kind words and introductions. i am proud to rise today as one of the newest members and representatives in the house serving the great people of new york's 19th congressional district. in clear, crisp may morning in 2004 i stood proudly with my west point classmates, i raised my right hand and solemnly swore an oath to protect and defend our constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. i still vividly remember the mix of emotions i felt as my classmates and i tossed 1000 white service gaps simultaneously into the air. elation, relief, honor, pride, but mostly the tremendous weight of responsibility that came with that oath. i did not know exactly what lay ahead, but i knew i would lead troops in combat. it would be my job to protect my fellow soldiers, to serve my country, to serve my community, to make difficult decisions with life or death consequences, and always to maintain my integrity no

so you don't pat them down in the crotch area.at you don't do that. >> kron 4 asked for comment from the tsa and they didn't come up. but they did share details of what pat downs. the protocol is from the website. so we'll show that to you. according to the tsa website, it says a pat down may include inspection of the head, neck, arms, torso, legs and feet. this includes head coverings in sensitive areas such as groin and the bucks and it goes on to say pat-downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and and or go a pat down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. 7.37. is the time and still ahead on the kron 4 morning news. >> giving an unwanted sexually explicit photos sent to your phone. well, we're gonna tell you how you can the person who sent it. and yes, the state may have a surplus, but the governor says we don't have enough money to give everybody what they want. and today is set to be another nice and clear one already looking clear than we did yesterday at this point. >> fee

recently we had the two former white house counsels, pat cipollone, pat philbin his deputy appear before the grand jury. they similarly declined to answer certain questions that were, they believed, covered by the former president's claim of executive privilege. those are the things that the justice department is going to challenge and we'll get a judge to get to it, as you guys have been talking about, they're going to win that. it is almost clear that, you know, it's almost certain that these questions will eventually be answered by everyone, and that includes likely mark meadows if the fbi wants him to come in. >> elliott, i want you to respond to that and also what does the doj do right now to get meadows to cooperate? >> yeah. you know, i'm going to take a slightly different view from my two friends here in that it's not a completely frivolous argument being raised by these former senior white house staffers because at the end of the day they are former senior white house staffers and would have protected some protected conversations with the president or amongst themselves. now bac

lawyers pat cipollone and patrick philbin are testifying today.e arriving today at the courthouse, about to meet with the federal grand jury as part of the investigation into january 6. meanwhile we're learning the house select committee wants to speak to former house speaker newt gingrich and also ginni thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. we now know she emailed wisconsin lawmakers urging them to reverse joe biden's win in that state just like she did with arizona lawmakers. and last night former president trump once again vowed to pardon people who were charged in the capitol attack should he be reelected. let's bring in sin joe walsh an areva martin. i want to start with the grand jury. they had both already testified before the house select smitty and interviewed with the fbi. today talking before the grand jury. explain why they could be central witnesses. >> really devastating news for donald trump and team because pat cipollone and his deputy were in the inner circle, the inner most circle and they worked closest -- some

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so you don't pat them down in the crotch area.you can wave the wind and there's nothing there that you don't do that. >> kron 4 asked for comment from the tsa. the agency shows not to comment, but they did share details about pat downs taken from their website which says, quote, a pat down man, clued inspection of the head, neck arms, torso, legs and feet. this includes head coverings in sensitive areas such as bres crying and the bucks pat downs require sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas may undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm that no threat items are detected and quote, all right, 5.21, is the time coming up on the kron. 4 morning news. oakland's police chief is increasing patrols to help. >> control violence in the city. why he says he plans to use every resource at his disposal to keep people safe. i'm karen. i'm living with hiv and i'm on cabenuva. for adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete, long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month. it's two inject

back to pat cipollone and pat philban. what do we know about that and the kdoj investigation into january 6th? >> remember this one, katy. we've been focussing on the mar-a-lago investigation, this is another huge danger to former president donald trump and these witnesses especially pat cipollone could be the most e dangerous. he's the highest ranking former trump white house official to be called to testify before this grand jury and t we all remembe his testimony before in those televised january 6th hearings, he did not -- he was not favorable to donald trump n whatsoever but there were certain questions he wouldn't answer about conversations with the president. he cited executive privilege. before a federal grand jury it will be harder for him to do that. the u.s. v nixon supreme court case of the watergate era says a criminal investigation usually in most cases overcomes executive privilege and so he may well have to talk to that grand jury and paint a picture of donald trump's state of mind which is crucial. they're

recently, we had the two white house counsel's, former white house counsel's, pat cipollone and pat philbin his deputy. they appeared before the grand jury. they similarly declined to answer certain questions that were, they believe, covered by the former presidents claim of executive privilege. those are things that the justice department is going to challenge. and we'll get a judge to, as you get to just been talking about, they're gonna win that. it's almost clear that, it's almost certain, that these questions will eventually be answered by everyone. and that includes, likely, mark meadows if the fbi wants him to come in. >> elliott, i want you to respond to that. and also, what does the doj do right now to get meadows to cooperate fully? >> yeah, i mean to take a slightly different view from my two friends here in that, it's not a completely frivolous argument being raised by these former senior white house staffers. because at the end of the day, they are former senior white house staffers who would've had protected, some protected conversations with the president. or amongst themselv

that is what the want is for it because everybody else just gets that. >> so you don't pat them downn the crotch area. if you can wave the wind and there's nothing there that you don't do that. >> kron 4 ask for comment from the tsa on what happened and when the story of originally broke, the agency chose not to comment but did share details about pat-downs taken from its website saying in part a may include inspection of the head neck arm torso, legs and feet. this includes head coverings and sensitive areas such as crying and the bucks pat downs requires sufficient pressure to ensure detection and areas might undergo a pat-down more than once for the tsa officer to confirm no threat items are detected. still ahead, the first legal action aimed at stopping the president's student loan forgiveness plan and why one group is arguing it's not a good idea. >> a delaware judge heard pretrial arguments today in the case pitting twitter against elon musk. musk's attorneys want the court to allow them to revise their response to the twitter lawsuit. twitter is suing in an effort to force mus

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no sign yet of pat philbin. this is a unique situation.investigations that are going on into the same topic of january 6th, we know what pat cipollone thinks because he has been deposed before, he was deposed before the house investigation into january 6 by those investigators, i was outside when he was inside for about seven hours and did he it on camera because we saw some of that video in those january 6th hearings. we saw and we know that he believes that he agrees with attorney general barr that the election was not stolen and that there was no widespread voter fraud, and he also said he knew that if donald trump went down to the capitol on january 6th he would be charged with, quote, every crime imaginable. this is a unique situation because the grand jury here is likely going to learn a lot more about what happened in and around the white house, in and around january 6th, because of the fact that the executive privilege claims cannot be made as seriously here as they can be even before those house investigators. so there's a lot tha

but i think executive privilege will be a successful basis to preclude answers from pat cipollone. >>hear from both cipollone and his deputy patrick philbin, do you think that is a sign that the investigation is focusing on trump's actions leading up to him on january 6th? >> yes, i do. they are very much members of trump's inner circle. i think you don't ask these folks questions unless you are inside of the white house and looking at donald trump himself. that is among the charges will be filed, but i think they are still looking at what conversations occurred, and we know based on what we heard in the january six committee that pat philbin impassable one we're at the heart of all of these events. for example, not only on january 6th itself, when it was pat cipollone who talked about having blood on your hands, trying to get trump to do something and make a statement to get people to stand down and go home, but leading up to, that that meeting with jeff clark of the justice department he wanted to send letters the state legislature segment we found irregularities in the elections in

, white house counsel along with pat philbin will appear surrounding the events of january 6th. are two witnesses that saw and heard just about everything in the lead-up to donald trump's failed insurrection thanks to the january 6th committee are at least somewhat prepared for what they might offer in that testimony outside the scope of executive privilege and it is also a big moment for the department of justice. they appear from our vantage point to play catch-up as they are in the second avenue investigation into classified documents at mar-a-lago. we are back with betsy and harry. harry, it is so interesting and obviously, the cases are separate and they originate from different potential criminal conduct and different sets of facts and these do sit at the intersection of both and i wonder what you make before a federal grand jury investigating january 6th. i'll end where i started two segments ago with the words executive privilege. this, i think is huge. we were up there and nobody except maybe meadows knows more than cipollone and philbin. they were in for everything. th

to which pat said something, this is f-ing crazy. we need to be doing something more. >> would that have been the kind of thing investigators pressed him about? >> oh, without question. without question. they are going to want to know everything that mark meadows saw and heard and conversations he was involved in, his impressions of what was happening in and around the white house and the people who are coming to visit and speak to and talk with the president. now, to be clear, many of those questions he will likely decline to answer as a result of or he'll claim executive privilege and that's fine but you have to show up to claim that privilege. you have to sit in front of the grand jury. you have to listen to the questions and invoke the privilege to each and every one that you feel that you shouldn't be answering. so this is going to be a really -- [ inaudible ] >> gloria borger, this is the highest ranking former trump official that we know that has been subpoenaed the in federal investigation. how is this news going to be receiv

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bring in former homicide detective pat dias for more on this. thanks for joining us with your learned analysis and perspective. a lot of questions raised by this tragic case. first and foremost among them, why was cleotha abston ever out on the streets? >> that's the system that we are seeing all over the country, where early parolees are being released, overcrowding in the prison system, and in this case, with his extensive background he probably should have never been paroled from prison at all. >> john: so folks at home understand how familiar police were with this fella, let's put up on the screen his long rap sheet, starts at age 11, when he was arrested for theft. convicted of rape at the age of 14 as a juvenile, age of 16 imagine he was tried as an adult here because he was sentenced to 24 years in prison for abducting a well-known attorney, and forcing that attorney to withdraw money from several atms and then released early on parole in november of 2020 as we saw, above the protestation of the prosecutor. why would the judge not take in

and pat philbin had weeks of discussions with the justice department about executive privilege before they appeared friday before a federal grand jury. how damning could their testimony be? >> well, we've seen a bunch of cipollone's testimony in front of the january 6th committee. it's very important because he was present at many of the most dangerous sort of crazy yis meeyisiest meetings that we saw, meetings where there was pressuring doj, pressuring the vice president, and generally speaking pat cipollone was a voice of reason. he'd try to talk the president and others out of these worst laid plans. where will he draw a line on executive privilege, if any. he would not answer certain questions about what did you say to donald trump, he claimed executive privilege. the committee did not have the opportunity to go to court to fight that. so the question is will doj accept those indications of executive privilege or will doj go to court and say, no, those conversations are not privileged. we need to know about them. if they get those conversations, jim, those are the most important.

we saw pat cipollone testify in front of the january 6th committee. it was a videotaped deposition. they played some of those excerpts at the hearing, and there were these moments cipollone would be testifying and then he'd be asked what did you discuss with donald trump, and cipollone would then look at his attorney and say executive privilege and he's refuse to answer. if doj prevails in these fights pat cipollone would have to answer questions and so they're willing to go to court, they're fighting for that right now. >> how long could that take, john? >> could take a good while. i think what's going on here is trump has -- sees the light down at the end of the tunnel where justice kavanaugh in a prior executive privilege fight over a scope of discovery to be done by the january 6th committee, a case of trump versus thompson, kavanaugh issued a separate statement, and he said i'm one who believes that courts cannot prevent former presidents being blocked from using executive privilege just because an incumbent president says he's waiving the privilege, and that's really the issue

though i do not remember much about my aunt pat, i have heard many stories about her.he frequently stayed in our house in maryland to be closer to her mother in a baltimore nursing home. the last time i saw her was about one month before my second birthday party. i will always shares the few pictures i have of her and me together. her picture at the end of this memorial is my favorite picture with my aunt. she was holding me shortly after i was born. when i was a preschooler i would tell my parents to look above our house because i could see my late grandmother and aunt tricia watching over us. to say my parents were shocked was an understatement. they could not season but day after day i changed their mind. although i was only two years old at the time of the 9/11 attacks i have a very special connection and hold a responsibility many others do not. as i have hope -- told my aunt's stories over the years i have heard many comments our remarks -- comments or remarks that made me realize how important my role is in retelling the events of that day. when i was little, i

former white house counsel pat cipollone, and pat philbin spent four hours behind close doors with prosecutorsjury in the justice department's investigation. the decision to subpoena two top trump white house lawyers reveals an intentionification into the probe of the january 6th attack. we're back with jackie, before the mar-a-lago search and the effort, for taking documents and endangering state secrets, there was this ramping up, criminal investigation into january 6th, and that appears to be what the cipollone and philbin grand jury testimony is about. do we have insights into how that questioning was focused? >> what we've heard so far, leading up to today was that a lot of the grand jury's efforts have been mirroring what the january 6th select committee, the congressional committee has been doing. they have been brought in a lot of the same players, and they are conducting new testimony with them. building off of a lot of the public work that we've already seen from the committee. just based on what we've already heard from other witnesses who testified publicly during the congressional