and pat brown criminal profiler and author. also with us is the daughter of the only victim, as of tonight, that e that's been positively identified. lillian glass, pat brown, let's talk to it briefly before i go to the victim's daughter. lillian glass, i have three scenarios in mind. number one, he's acting out of rage and anger toward women. two, after being convicted on attempted rape and doing 15 years, he decided to kill all of his future victims so there are would be no evidence, no live witnesses and three, he has a desire to murder. those are my only three scenarios. any other ideas, lillian glass? >> they are all correct and absolutely right. this is a man who hates women. he's methodical. >> hold on. i want to see the photos of tonja carmichael. she's a beautiful mother of three. she leaves behind two girls and a boy. her body, hidden in sowell's home for the past year. decomposing, along with the bodies of ten other women, that we know of. go ahead, lillian. >> no, you are absolutely correct. when you are looking at

. >> what about it, pat brown? >> absolutely. i mean, this guy probably committed lots of crimes before he was 30 when he went in, and we have seen he's committed lots of crimes when he came out. >>> six of them are described as african-american women, and at least five of them appear to have been strangled. they were all found in and around the house of 50-year-old anthony sowell. >> you could smell the dead bodies. >> there are a whole lot of people showing up in this neighborhood. dozens of missing women, and their families and their loved ones that have been showing up here, and trying to figure out if their loved ones are one of the bodies inside of this home. >> the likelihood that there are victims in other places, missing people who were never recovered, and no one knows their whereabouts, is extremely high. >> i guarantee it, they look at california, north carolina, where he was stationed with the marines, ther are going to be women there who have never been found, never been accounted for. >> we've obtained a warrant to

when i think of what could have happened to this child -- and out to you, pat brown. it sounds like they poked holes in the box like it's a fifth grader's science experiment with a bug or a rat and you poke holes so it can breathe. >> well, exactly. this baby-sitter wasn't concerned about the baby. this is an object to her. whether it lives or dies, doesn't matter as long as she gets to play her game, get attention and do what she wants. >> bethany marshall, remember the baby-sitter's little 6-year-old stepson's body has never been found. >> i think this baby-sitter had a preoccupation with getting the baby away from the mother in order to have the mother's attention all to herself. i've treated women like this in my practice. and they're envious of babies. they resent them and they want to get rid of them.  >>> we're going to take you straight back to baby shannon's discovery. but out to michael borg with breaking news. what can you tell me about the latest at the killeen, texas shooting, michael? >> we now know that major malik hasan, who shot and kille

. >> what about it, pat brown? >> absolutely. i mean, this guy probably created a lot of crimes before he was 30 when he went in and we see he's created a lot of crimes when he came out. he's un-rehabilitatable. absolutely. >>> miss carmichael disappeared approximately a year ago in november. her car was located by family members and the investigation was ongoing, i believe, by lawrenceville heights police department. >> miss carmichael was the first one recovered from the backyard and she was a ligature strangulation. there was something around the neck. >> anthony sowell has been charged with five counts as of right now of aggravated murder, and, of course, that could possibly rise as investigators continue to go through these bodies. >> and the suspect, anthony sowell, in court just a couple of hours ago. he had on a paper outfit that they dress you in when they are afraid you may commit suicide. he's in a psych ward where they get special privileges. ken robinson with wtam 1100, why was he in court? >> he was in court to answ

that quite often, the criminals involved in a case like this will keep an item as a keepsake and pat brown, can you hear me now? >> i can hear you fine. >> yeah. pat, we were talking about this tote bag and the lunchbox. now, why would a criminal theoretically, hypothetically, keep it? >> well, sometimes it is a souvenir. they love that crime that they committed so much, just like keeping it on their fireplace so they can look at it and say look what i did, isn't that exciting. other times what will happen is they will dump those items in a separate place which is a smart thing to do, not with the body, so that those things will be somewhere else. so they just may simply not have found them. >> somer's mom says she will not rest until her daughter's killer is found. here she is on abc's "good morning america." >> i feel like there's a piece of broken glass in front of me and i've got all the pieces to the broken glass, except for this one huge piece, and that's to catch the monster who did this. >> another possible lead, a sex offender was arrested in georgia. now, he was caught following

when i think of what could have happened to this child -- andut to you, pat brown. it sounds like they poked holes in the box like it's a fifth grader's science experiment with a bug or a rat and you poke holes so it can breathe. >> well, exactly. this baby-sitter wasn't concerned about the baby. this is an object to her. whether it lives or dice, doesn't matter as long as she gets to play her game, get attention and do what she wants. >> bethany marshall, remember the baby-sitter's little 6-year-old stepson's body has never been found. >> i think this baby-sitter had a preoccupation with getting the baby away from the mother in order to have the mother's attention all to herself. i've treated women like this in my practice. and they're envious of babies. they resent them and they want to get rid of them. >>> we are the proud papas of a little girl. this is shannon lee dedrick. we found her safe. we do not usually get to that happy ending that we have had happen here today. if you want to have seen a bunch of grown men cry, tonight when we rushed her to the hospital

when i think of what could have happened to this child -- and out to you, pat brown. it sounds like they poked holes in the box like it's a fifth grader's science experiment with a bug or a rat and you poke holes so it can breathe. >> well, exactly. this baby-sitter wasn't concerned about the baby. this is an object to her. whether it lives or dies, doesn't matter as long as she gets to play her game, get attention and do whatever she wants. >> bethany marshall, remember the baby-sitter's little 6-year-old stepson's body has never been found. >> i think this baby-sitter had a preoccupation with getting the baby away from the mother in order to have the mother's attention all to herself. i've treated women like this in my practice. and they're envious of babies. they resent them and they want to get rid of them. they said it would never last. but it's been two months, and you're still going strong. glade lasting impressions. two fragrances alternate to keep things... fresh and exciting day after day. - and not just for 30 days. - ( inhales deeply, sighs ) but for 60. i

out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." i hardly know where to start with you. because all of this is your expertise. i want you to weigh in on your profile of this 15-year-old girl. i have to tell you something, pat, out of all the cases i've ever prosecuted, investigated, or covered, this one has really thrown me for a loop because when i immediately see a set of facts, i conjure up in my mind, analytically, who i think the perp is. all right? i would never have guessed a 15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there, nancy. we haven't had many females do this kind of thing to little children. we are seeing an increase of violence among those teenagers these days. my book was called "killing for sport." that's what this girl did. she killed for sport. she killed for a thrill. cold-blooded psycho path. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. and says that's the kind of thing i want to do. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. when you let your child over to play, not only s

through most of it, and there have been people here nonstop day and night waiting for answers. >> to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." here's the deal, pat. he typically used public transportation. we know that. and therefore, he could have a cache of bodies elsewhere. they don't all have to be in his home. how do we know this is where he started? he could have started out meeting women on the other side of town, women in fields where typically they are dumped in open fields or in dumpsters. the only way now to determine if those women are connected is through possible dna. but what do you think about changing an m.o.? >> well, nancy, you're absolutely correct. sometimes we lean too heavily on the m.o. has to be the same on and on and on. but that's not true. what will happen is he'll do what's convenient for him. so originally if he was out walking around maybe going through a park and sees a jogger go by he might have grabbed her and done that but then one time he found there was a pigeon walking through his neighborhood he said want some malt liquor? woman says su

i want you and pat brown to hear the 911 call, again. >> okay. to the lawyers. stacey, as a former prosecutor, i don't think the boy understood what he did. >> i'm on the page with you, nancy. i defended many, many juvenile delinquents charged with violent felonies and set them down in my office to have a talk about what happened and they don't have the life experience, the sophistication, the mental capacity, the intelligence to understand the acts. their bodies are capable of pulling triggers, but the mind doesn't follow. it's a very sad situation that he's charged with first-degree murder for premeditation. it just doesn't fit. >> well, hold on. hold on. before you go crazy on that, to you, rupa mthen back to mckeithen, in this jurisdiction this child cannot get treated as an adult. all right? the max he would ever do is till age 21. what do you know rupa? >> he's 10 years old, just turned 11. he's not charged as an adult. he is being charged as a juvenile, first-degree murder. high understanding from the police is the maximum he can get is incarceration unti

when i think of what could have happened to this child -- and out to you, pat brown. it sounds like they poked holes in the box like it's a fifth grader's science experiment with a bug or a rat and you poke holes so it can breathe. >> well, exactly. this baby-sitter wasn't concerned about the baby. this is an object to her. whether it lives or dice, doesn't matter as long as she gets to play her game, get attention and do what she wants. >> bethany marshall, remember the baby-sitter's little 6-year-old stepson's body has never been found. >> i think this baby-sitter had a preoccupation with getting the baby away from the mother in order to have the mother's attention all to herself. i've treated women like this in my practice. and they're envious of babies. they resent them and they want to get rid of them. >>> we are the proud papas of a little girl. this is shannon lee dedrick. we found her safe. we do not usually get to that happy ending that we have had happen here today. if you want to have seen a bunch of grown men cry, tonight when we rushed her to the hospital

i want you and pat brown to hear the 911 call, again. >> okay. to the lawyers.tacey, as a former prosecutor, i don't think the boy understood what he did. >> i'm on the page with you, nancy. i defended many, many juvenile delinquents charged with violent felonies and set them down in my office to have a talk about what happened and they don't have the life experience, the sophistication, the mental capacity, the intelligence to understand the acts. their bodies are capable of pulling triggers, but the mind doesn't follow. it's a very sad situation that he's charged with first-degree murder for premeditation. it just doesn't fit. >> well, hold on. hold on. before you go crazy on that, to you, rupa mikkilineni then back to mckeithen, in this jurisdiction this child cannot get treated as an adult. all right? the max he would ever do is till age 21. what do you know rupa? >> he's 10 years old, just turned 11. he's not charged as an adult. he is being charged as a juvenile, first-degree murder. high understanding from the police is the maximum he can get is incarcera

out to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." i hardly even know where to start with you. because all of this is your expertise. i want you to weigh in on your profile of this 15-year-old girl. i have to tell you something, pat, out of all the cases i've ever prosecuted, investigated, or covered, this one has really thrown me for a loop because when i immediately see a set of facts, i conjure up in my mind, analytically, who i think the perp is. all right? i would never have guessed a 15-year-old playmate sister. never. >> i'm with you there, nancy. we haven't had many females do this kind of thing to little children. we are seeing an increase of violence among those teenagers these days. my book was called "killing for sport." that's what this girl did. she killed for sport. she killed for a thrill. she is a cold-blooded psycho path. no remorse. no guilt. maybe watched one too many slasher films. that's the kind of thing i want to do because that will give me the fun. i don't get this fun out of normal teen activities. i want to

. >> to pat brown, criminal profiler, author of "killing for sport." here's the deal, pat.e typically used public transportation. we know that. and therefore, he could have a cache of bodies elsewhere. they don't all have to be in his home. how do we know this is where he started? he could have started out meeting women on the other side of town, women in fields where typically they are dumped in open fields or in dumpsters. the only way now to determine if those women are connected is through possible dna. but what do you think about changing an m.o.? >> well, nancy, you're absolutely correct. sometimes we lean too heavily on the m.o. has to be the same on and on and on. but that's not true. what will happen is he'll do what's convenient for him. so originally if he was out walking around maybe going through a park and sees a jogger go by he might have grabbed her and done that but then one time he found there was a pigeon walking through his neighborhood he said want some malt liquor? woman says sure. what's up? she comes in, she's dead. he says, hey, that works. police n

pat brown, criminal profiler, what about ann marie in illinois's question?i saw something like that on youtube or twitter, i would find it very disturbing. if i knew it was a minor, i would try to contact their family. >> well, i think ann marie's got a good point. what she's pointing out is we have a very disturbing teenage culture going on here. there's an anti-death culture where people are going on the net, looking at gore, looking at slasher films, going out to see "saw." when i was a teenager i saw "mary popins," "romeo & juliet." but these kids are not seeing that, they're seeing a lot of gore and violence and getting obsessed with it. now, that doesn't make a non-psychopath do hg something like this but it does take a psychopathic person leaned toward violence get justification and say isn't that cool and she gets really into it and nobody calls her on it and -- >> it's almost like she's bragging about it on youtube and twitter. >> absolutely. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. this 15-year-old will be in court in a couple of days to determi

pat brown, criminal profiler, what about ann marie in illinois' question?on youtube or twitter, i would find it very disturbing. if i knew it was a minor, i would try to contact their family. >> well, i think ann marie's got a good point. what she's pointing out is we have a very disturbing teenage culture going on here. there's an anti-death culture where people are going on the net, looking at gore, looking at "slasher" films, going out to see "saw." when i was a teenager i saw "mary poppins," "romeo & juliet." but these kids are not seeing that, they're seeing a lot of gore and violence and getting obsessed with it. now, that doesn't make a non-psychopath do something like this, but it does take a psychopathic person lean toward violence get justification and say isn't that cool? and she gets really into it and nobody calls her on it and -- >> it's almost like she's bragging about it on youtube and twitter. >> absolutely. >> everybody, we're taking your calls live. this 15-year-old will be in court in a couple of days to determine whether she will be tre

after all, oprah refused to have chris brown on after he beat up rihanna. patte? >> not at all. i do not understand this controversy. what is this, state-run media, where, you know, someone has to dictate to her who she can have on for what reason and what's politically correct? she may have all kinds of reasons why she doesn't want chris brown on her show and why she wants mr. winans on her show. maybe she has determined that chris is a creep, she wants nothing to do with him, but the jury's still out. he's innocent until proven guilty. there are all kinds of reason and she has the absolute right in free america to determine who's going to be on her show. >> she certainly does. and we tried to find out the reasons behind it. we reached out to oprah's show today, but we got a "no comment." let's not forget, everyone, that oprah did broadcast a show about domestic violence after rihanna was beaten up and oprah crucified chris brown for what he did. but, rachel, bebe winans was also arrested for domestic abuse. i do want to make that clear. his case, though, is s