am i wrong, pat buchanan?ow whether that's the white working class democrats of central pennsylvania or the liberals really unhappy that obama hasn't done what he's promised. i think that's sort of a troublesome figure there. frankly, i don't see the individual unless it's a feingold. i would not be terribly surprised if obama got some kind of challenge in the primaries from the left. >> okay. something came up when i was at a fund-raiser at my parents' house the other day. the concept of hillary clinton. she became a subject of conversation, of what it would be like if she were here now. and there was -- she was actually asked about this. take a look. >> i have said it over and over again and happy to say it on your show as well. i'm committed to doing what i can to advance the security, the interests and the values of the united states of america. i believe what i'm doing right now is in furtherance of that and proud and grateful to be doing with it. >> so you're done with elected office? >> i am. i'm very h

bush's tax cuts from almost a decade ago be left where they are, in plates, pat buchanan. >> if they are not, the economy will go into cardiac arrest. here is what is going to happen, obama and democrats realize the republicans won the battle for extension of all the tax cuts for two more years until 2013. where democrats are going to try to come back issa, okay, we go along with that but after 2013 only the middle cut tax cuts for under a million dollars. the issue here is it's a game of chicken. which of these two parties is prepared to let these taxes go vaulting upward january 1 and take us to the edge of the cliff and which one will blink first. i think, this is a guess, i think the republicans are going to win this battle and mort's tax rates remain where they were. >> do you want to do this during the lame duck session. >> you have to. >> republicans are not in there. the republicans don't have possession of the house. >> they do january 1. >> the republicans are not in possession of the house. >> they take over in january. you wait until january -- >> the congress is democrat

pat buchanan, you behave. >> pat, it's usually donny. all right. excuse us. anyhow, back to the vice president, biden also gave his prediction on how president obama would fare if sarah palin ran for president. >> look, i think sarah palin turned out to be and she is a real force of the republican party. and i think sarah palin, were i a republican senator or republican political leader, i would look and say, she's got a good chance of getting the nomination. but i think in that race it would be a clear, clear choice for the country to make, and i believe president obama would be in very good shape. >> we're going to have the vice president live on the show later this morning. wouldn't they want her to get the nomination? >> of course. >> talking her up. >> talking her up. isn't that nice? >> that would be a gift. >> if you look at her support in the republican party, 80% support in the republican party, not in the general population, she's got roadmap to the nomination if you look at south carolina, iowa. >> norah? >> overall her approval rating is 48% which

pat buchanan is an msnbc analyst, david corn, a contributor to politicsdaily.com., thanks for being here. i want to show you a snippet of dick cheney delivering a zinger today. >> of course, the george w. bush presidential center isn't much to look at just yet. but the workers are ready, construction will move fast after today's groundbreaking. this may be the only shovel-ready project in america. >> now true to his recent fopm~- president bush didn't take the bait, in other words, didn't behave in kind. >> the decisions of governing are on another president's desk and he deserves to make them without criticism from me. >> pat buchanan, you're a student of political history. which is more in step with predecessors? here's vice president cheney who has been relentless against the president and the former president, who's taken a different path. >> i was at carter's dedication and reagan flew down there. but i think clearly, former president bush is handling himself magnificently. since he's been president, he's been silent, out of the news. he has been used as a but

we'll bring pat down, david corn, pat buchanan. he gets the scanner, he gets the pat down. >>> coming up, still lots of anger. is the israelis -- 45-minute interviews. is that what we want? what about the extra security before boarding the plane. you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t covers 97% of all americans. rethink possible. was complicated, with a series of stepped altitude changes. [ air traffic controller ] okay, 245, proceed to your next cleared altitude. [ sighs ] [ male announcer ] today, truecourse flight management systems from ge allow for fuel savings, lower emissions and less noise... ♪ ...making the old way of doing things... [ air traffic controller ] 245, you are cleared to land. [ male announcer ] ...seem less than graceful. ♪ >>> i mentioned that new quinnipiac poll that shows president obama in a match upwith 2012 republicans. romney narrowly edges out president obama, 45-42. too close to call. obama leads huckabee. obama leads mitch daniels largely unknown, 45-36, but he'

down. >> if huckabee's in take the bet on romney. >> pat on the scanner, coming back david corn, pat buchanan. he gets the scanner, he gets the pat down. >>> coming up, still lots of angber that full-body scanner and pat downs at the airport. what is the alternative? that's what i ask. 45-minute interviews is that what we want? we'll talk about why people are so bothered and about this extra security before boarding a plane. that's the question. should we know more about the people before they show up in line? you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. >>> i mentioned that new quinnipiac poll which shows president obama matchup with the potential 2012 republicans and the numbers are very close than the actual matchups. mitt romney narrowly edges out president obama 45-44%. too close to call there. obama lead says indiana governor mitch mcdaniels largely unknown. but he's an unknown guy and obama gets closest to 50% against palin. he beats her 48% to 40% but you notice he doesn't get 50% against her, very interesting p we'll be right back. because when it comes to kids and healing... you're no

thank you so much. >>> keith boykin, pat buchanan, sow nia nelson. the bacon, friday fry if up in a pan, she's everyone's renaissance woman. >> that, she is. i'm not convinced sarah palin is running for the president of the united states. i don't see it happening. i think this woman is incredible in this regard, however, she has had a book that brought in millions of dollars. she's got her on tv show. she's a fox contributor. she is a rock star in her own right to take her own words and she's making a lot of money for her family and nobody in the palin family's going to have to work for generations if she keeps this up. i'm not sure it's all about politics. i think this woman's a businesswoman and exploiting the season of her life that's bountiful. >> unfavorable rating which has gone past 50%. 52%. pat, i'm going to guess, maybe you're old school, is this the way you run for president these days? >> i'll tell you, it's certainly the way she ought, if she is running for president. >> you think it's a good idea if she's running for president to do thi

down. >> if huckabee's in take the bet on romney. >> pat on the scanner, coming back david corn, pat buchanan. he gets the scanner, he gets the pat down. >>> coming up, still lots of angber that full-body scanner and pat downs at the airport. what is the alternative? that's what i ask. 45-minute interviews is that what we want? we'll talk about why people are so bothered and about this extra security before boarding a plane. that's the question. should we know more about the people before they show up in line? you're watching "hardball," only on msnbc. mom, i want to drive. it'll cost a fortune to insure you. nationwide insurance, we need a freeze-frame here. let's give parents a break, right ? let the discounts they've earned be passed down to their teens. save mom and dad up to 25% versus the competition. we'll call it the nationwide family plan. here you go, and there you go. unfreeze ! keys ! savings ! ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ road trip ! >>> i mentioned that new quinnipiac poll which shows president obama matchup with the potential 2012 republicans and the numbers are very close th

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. >>> joining the discussion this morning pat buchanan, "washington post" editorial writer jonathan capehart and the fourth highest ranking congressman larsen and valerie blame and her husband, former ambassador joe wilson. >>> good morning, i'm chris jansing. this is a special edition of "jansing & company." we're live out on the balcony of the rotunda on capitol hill and tremendously busy in washington, d.c. what will their influence be? we'll be talking with one of the longest serving members of congress and talking about one of the longest serviing memberss of congress. he's waiting to hear, frankly so are we, what the consequences are of that hearing that he said for almost a year what he wanted on those ethic charges. the strength of the tea party and all that even before we get to who among the elite of washington, d.c. will get invited to the wedding of this young century. wills and kate are officially engaged. >>> all right, let's start with politics, though. here's a key question for the democrats this morning. we know republicans want all of them extended, so do the democrats fold

. >> pat buchanan?hn, the reason she's the minority leader is because hoyer didn't challenge her, he decided not to. secondly she has will be an extremely effective leader for the democratic party, got through everything obama wanted and then some, and the democrats defied the country which has voted to go in another direction, but it tells us i think pretty much what you said, john, nancy pelosi and the democrat party saw john boehner got to be speaker of the house by leading the party of no to obama spending programs, now they are going to be the part of no, nancy pelosi leading against budget cuts, it's an effective strategy. >> it was a foregone conclusion she would win the post because the democratic caucus is smaller and it's more liberal, the challenge came from the conservative blue dog. the numbers were not there for credible alternative. she's there because she's a fighter and because she's going to hold the ground that president obama seems too often willing to concede. and the effort to repe

if -- like pat buchanan surprised everybody by taking new hampshire. that could happen with sarah palin or huckabee. >> you could get a mitch daniels. chris: howard, who's got the best bet at winning the western division, the conservatives? >> sarah palin. chris: best bet. >> sarah palin. >> i'll say huckabee. >> between palin and huckabee i'll give the edge to palin. chris: let's go to the eastern division. we're talking traditional republican party. the club members. the fiscal conservatives. >> i was about to say the boast celtics. -- the boston celtics. i'll say it's not going to be romney. he's a weak frontrunner. chris: palin versus -- >> going to be somebody like daniels or barber or thune or somebody out of that category. >> barber or thune. barber, ole school. thune, neuer school. >> these -- all of these candidates are ideologically the same. >> let me throw something out about him, he's been under the radar, somebody who has been a two-term governor dealing with budget problems he's got that to offer. he worked in washington. >> you're talki

if -- like pat buchanan surprised everybody by taking new hampshire. that could happen with sarah palin or huckabee. >> you could get a mitch daniels. chris: howard, who's got the best bet at winning the western division, the conservatives? >> sarah palin. chris: best bet. >> sarah palin. >> i'll say huckabee. >> between palin and huckabee i'll give the edge to palin. chris: let's go to the eastern division. we're talking traditional republican party. the club members. the fiscal conservatives. >> i was about to say the boast celtics. -- the boston celtics. i'll say it's not going to be romney. he's a weak frontrunner. chris: palin versus -- >> going to be somebody like daniels or barber or thune or somebody out of that category. >> barber or thune. barber ole school. thune, neuer school. >> these -- all of these candidates are ideologically the same. >> let me throw something out about him he's been under the radar, somebody who has been a two-term governor dealing with budget problems he's got that to offer. he worked in washington. >> you're talking

pat buchanan. >> i would give him 6 out of 10 that he would win the presidential election in 2012. >> really? why? >> i look at the country and deep behind some of these polls. the young people, hispanics. >> who is out there? who is out there? >> there are plenty of republican candidates. >> i give him a plus and point out that jimmy carter had a good midterm election so he didn't have a comeback. he had a long, slow slide. >> i give him a 10 because there's nobody out there that can beat him. >> wait a minute. i don't think you want to put money on that. i give him a 3 out of 10 because there's nothing in this man's political temperment or character to suggest moderation. even this weekend he sat with 60 minutes and still believed that he has a communications problem. a salesmanship problem and not a policy problem. this week was a thundering >>> folks, we took a step forward tonight to putting ohioans back to work. we are making it work better. >> ohio republican is john kaisik, repeat a republican. and this week he unseated the democratic incumbent, ted strikeland, the four year o

morning show that conservative morning show he's the guy that me there who basically have given pat buchanan's a nazi apologist literally i'm not exaggerating you literally apologizes for hitler settles and so bad. gives him a kind of the green room was constantly on and also the senior political analyst who's name of play going on right now. mark halperin is also a conservative. sort of right wing type of figure. was made the senior political analyst at emerson b.c. so phil griffin has tried very hard to push back against the notion that m a c b c is liberal even though it makes people all of its money from its liver. primetime lineup now you definitely could say that the ad the polarization is what makes them successful and makes them not c.n.n. and these days now i want to switch gears and of course go into obama right now everyone is reeling from the after effects of the midterm elections that's from two days ago but first i want to get your take on what you think happened i mean look back to two years ago obama had this massive army of people behind you know i mean he could have been lead

pat buchanan is the republican strategist and msnbc political analyst and peter fenn is a democratic analyst. and otherwise known as my boys. is president obama really stuck in a corner on this? >> i think he's in a real box. the tax cuts are going to be approved, definitely, for the next two years, i think, for everybody including those making over 250,000. and what the president's going to try to do in a deal, i think, is to say thaafter that, the ta cuts for people making over 250,000, they lapse. but the republicans won't go along with it. i think they'll play chicken. and my guess is the president will back down. peter and i were talking, the president's best bet would be to say all the tax cuts for two more years. and after that taxes rise only for those making more than 1 million. the question is will the president stick by that if the republicans say no? and will he veto a bill like that? and i think if he did, he would be held accountable for letting all the tax cuts on january 1. >> you have to stop talking during the commercial breaks here. because i want this saved for us

. >> pat buchanan is an msnbc political strategist and democratic analyst karen finney. good morning to the both of you. pat, do you think we'd be hearing complaints about this if we weren't so far removed from 9/11? >> we'd hear fewer complaints about it, alex. you have a very good point. that detroit christmas bomber was carrying the would-be explosive in his underwear. and in saudi arabia, actually an individual came to meet the security minister and he had it in a body cavity and exploded it. so these things are very important. this is why we're getting the enhanced security, but your point is very valid. we haven't had one of these airliners blowing up in a long time killing 300 people. if we did, some of the protests would diminish. but it is very intrusive, invasion of privacy and some of these characters doing it i'm sure go too far. but this is the world and these are the times we live in. >> but karen, rick santorum saying that these things are too invasive. isn't that easy to say that? because in a practical sense we all get slightly creeped out as strangers ru

we watch pat buchanan and think he's a bit of a zealot when he comes out against trade. where are the voters on that? with pat? >> in both directions. they want to make sure america's is not taken advantage of, but realize america has to be a piece of it. notice the president took trade policy and pushed it until after the midterms. he thought this would be a more hospitable time to talk trade. that means opening market it is right way. >> they sort of paced at the jobs label on this trip once they realized the poor timing of it. suddenly, it became a trip about jobs, which if they had a ton of jobs to bring back, a long, long list of them. >> looks like they're changing policy on taxes. a big tax cut for everybody that will look like a move to the center. you say that's a positive sign of change, still open to question about whether they're going to change the administration itself. you said it took how many months? >> a few. >> state of the union. we've learned a lot today. >>> coming up, reigning in the national debt. preliminary recommendations from the president's de

[applause] >> how do you sit there next to my good friend, you know, pat buchanan and not throttle him. i have wanted to throttle him a couple of times. i've come close once. but, you know, very shortly, it comes from my grandmother. who was full of sayings. she died at 98. he was just a fountain of sayings. she used to say, well, just as well to laugh than to cry. sometimes the things that i see that we go on tv to talk about that are just so stupid and so ridiculous that you can't help but laugh at it. you know? and so anyway. that's where it comes from. sadi smith was my grandmother. that's where it comes from. >> i don't know if you read "the new york times," charles globe's article. he said black voters are posed in 2010 to have a strategic impact. he quoted the center for political and economic -- >> yeah. >> to make the point they can do this because many blacks still reside in the areas and districts and states that have most contested or contention elections. can we given the premise of your book speak meaningfully in the way of black voters? if so, how do we strategically and

how do you sit there next to a, you know, pat buchanan and not throttle him. and i have wanted to draw him a couple times. come close once, but -- you know, very shortly comes from my grandmother. who was full of saints. she died at 98, and she just was a found of saying is, that she used to say, well, just as well, the last one to cry. and sometimes the things that i see that i go into tv to talk about are so stupid and so ridiculous, that you can't help but laugh at it, you know? so anyhow, that's where it comes from. sadie smith was my grandmother. that's where it comes from. >> i don't know if you read today's "new york times," charles article where he suggested that black voters are poised in 2010 to have a strategic impact, and he quotes the center for political and economic studies. and to make the point that they can do this because there are many of them, many blacks reside in areas of districts and states that of most contested or contentious election. can we, given the premise of your book, speak meaningfully in that way of black voters? and if so,

. >> pat buchanan is republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. cratic strategist and msnbc contributor karen finney joins us. good morning to the two of you again. pat, republicans are talking about compromise, but are they following through on it? i mean, they wouldn't even meet with the president at the white house this week? >> the reason they didn't is they don't want to be used as a foil for the president before they got all their ducks in a row. the situation here is sort of odd. what you got is the country voted in november to move in a strongly conservative direction, but nancy pelosi still retains an 80-seat majority in the house and harry reid's got a 20-seat majority in the senate, just about that until january. but i think the republicans are united on this issue. they want all the tax cuts extended temporarily or permanently, and the democrats got six different positions, but the republicans are playing from a weaker hand until january 5th. and i think they're playing it very well. >> let's see if karen agrees with that. because here'

. >> and, basic economic nationalism, you know we watch pat buchanan all of those years and we think that he's a bit of a zealot when he comes out against trade and any kind of trade, where are the voters that right now. >> well, look right now -- >> are they with pat right now. >> the voters are in both directions. they want to make sure that america's not taken advantage in the global economy, but they realize america has to be a piece of it. you see it's a fine line. notice the president took trade, policy, and he pushed it until after the midterms. he thought that would be a more hospitalable time to talk trade, he didn't realize maybe a less hospitable time so he need a comprehensive economic strategy and that means opening markets the right way. >> they sort of pasted the jobs label on this trip. >> yeah. >> once they realized -- >> sell it. >> the poor timing of it. they -- and then suddenly it became a trip all about jobs which if they had a ton of jobs to bring back and crow about a long, long list of them that would be different. >> what we've gotten today it looks like the

political analyst pat buchanan and from talking points memo megan carpenter. >>> big developing story this morning, south korea is drawing a line in the sand warning they'll unleash enormous retaliation. a massive barrage between the two countries initiated by the north has killed at least two south korean soldiers. the north fired as many as 100 artillery shells after the warning, after warning the south to halt military drills in the area. south korea returned fire and sent several f-16 fighter jets into the air. senior u.s. military officials are calling the attack provocative and alarming. nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski joins me now and how much concern is there that this could continue? >> concern enough that the white house released a statement very early this morning condemning the action and calling on north korea to halt its belligerent action. i can tell you this now, chris, the priority now according to military officials, the shooting has stopped and this incident appears to be over, at least for now. the priority appears not to escalate the situati

joining me is pennsylvania governor ed rendell and msnbc political analyst, pat buchanan. put this duo together because i have no idea what you are both going to say. but one thing i am sure of is there is no way for a democrat to be elected president without pennsylvania. it is the keystone state in more ways than one. he's down -- i look at these numbers. the top six states we're looking at in this new poll shows in these states all of which he carried, including p.a., he's down 18 points on average. we're looking at california, colorado, illinois, pennsylvania, connecticut, new hampshire. right across the country. these countries -- these states, rather, show an incredible drop in popularity for the president. he has to get back up. and i'm wondering if the economy gets a little better is that enough? >> well -- >> governor rendell? >> first of all, chris, john heilmann and you were exactly right. we've got do something with the deficit and we've got to act together and if we do it together -- democrats, republicans, the president, congress -- and that you avoid the thi

. >> pat buchanan, he invested a lot of money in gm. >> yeah. >> a lot of money. it didn't turn out so well. >> yeah, so did you guys. i'm glad i'm seeing you this morning. i wanted to congratulate you. how does it feel? it's not every day that a company you own goes public. so mozatof. >> on track to be the biggest ever ipo. remember the government still owns 60% of gm after the bailout. the government will still own 25%. it will take a couple of years to get the government out of gm's hair. it's been a backlash for people like you and i who aren't included. gm is different. mika, joe, donny, chris in the control room, the rest in the control room, i, we all own a little bit of gm. >> there you go. >> in case there are any tea partiers watching and too much government, to me that's an example of just the right amount of government in this case. otherwise you'd have all those gm people out of work right now. can we give a little kudos to the guys. >> nicole, we've got to go. before we leave, at 8:30 every morning we have erin burnett comes on and she makes up an e

pat buchanan, that's been talking about the collapsing middle class for 30 years now.used on the fact that the middle class is collapsing, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. >> bill clinton. manufacturing jobs and you need investments in education. that's the way to do it. >> friedman's article that he continues to talk about, energy is that next cycle for us. we saw the industrial revolution, the tech revolution. it has to be an energy sector and that's where we have to start working together. >> the thing that hits me because we talk about green energy, you're not going to be finding like oil fields in texas. it's not going to be specific. if you have let's say dartmouth might crack the code for some form of energy battery in oregon. you've got opportunities for individual colleges, labs, to come up with breakthroughs. businesses can grow around there. and instead of a few people who find the wealth, becoming extraordinarily wealthy off of oil revenue, maybe it's a bit more diffuse. maybe you rebuild the middle class that way. but it's somet

[applause] >> ask my good friend pat buoy can buchanan, and i have wanted to throttle him a couple of times. i've come close. comes from my grandmother, who was full of sayings. she died at 98, and she just was a fountain of sayings, and she used to say, well, just as well the last is to cry. and sometimes things i talk about are just so stupid and so ridiculous that you can't help but laugh at it. and so, anyhow, that's where it comes from. sadie smith was my grandmother. >> i don't know if you read today's "new york times," an article writ was -- where it was black voters are poised in 2010 to have a strategic impact and quotes the center for political and economic studies. to make the point that they can do this because there are many of them -- men blacks still reside in the areas in district in states that have the most contentious elections. can we, given the premise of your book, speak that way of black voters, and if not, how do we politically plan? >> i think politics and voting is the one area in which, yes, we can speech meaningfully and confidently about black voters in te

it was a national campaign manager for pat buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign when the buchanan wonhe new hampshire primary. he and his wife julie and their five children live in the virginia suburbs. he was a phenomenal editor and mentor to me personally and for those of you who don't follow his weekly writing i would highly encourage you to bookmark and keep tabs on the columns that he does write because they are -- terry's book is called "control freaks" seven ways liberals plan to ruin your life. among the topics that he covers are the way liberals want to control your life, where you live in how you move, your income and when you retire, how you use your property, how many kids you have, what you listen to on the radio, what books you read, whether you live or die and what you teach your children. and i thought there was a telling paragraph that i just wanted to read before i turn it over to terry to make some remarks. and i "maxim and the quest for freedom in our everyday lives we are ultimately confronted with the practical, non-philosophical question, who is in control. when

it was a national campaign manager for pat buchanan's 1996 presidential campaign when the buchanan wonthe new hampshire primary. he and his wife julie and their five children live in the virginia suburbs. he was a phenomenal editor and mentor to me personally and for those of you who don't follow his weekly writing i would highly encourage you to bookmark and keep tabs on the columns that he does write because they are -- terry's book is called "control freaks" seven ways liberals plan to ruin your life. among the topics that he covers are the way liberals want to control your life, where you live in how you move, your in