pat buchanan was then the ron paul of the republican party, running hopeless campaigns for presidenthat won him a lot more votes than ron paul could ever dream of. >> tim, did we factor buchanan into this at all? if republicans abandon dole, do they revive the buchanan candidacy? perhaps tim is taking a coffee break. that's okay. do you think buchanan can go to the convention now and say i'm still here? >> buchanan is doing that. he's in the paper today says ross perot can take my voters. what he means by that is republican party better pay attention to me or my voters are going to go to ross perot. that's a strong argument at this point, and the republican party has to desperately figure out what to do with buchanan. >> pat is going to say wait a minute, if bob dole drops down in a throe-way race, what difference would a four-way race make? i don't think that will happen in the end. pat buchanan wants to be president of the united states, he's going to run in 2000, he doesn't want to antagonize people by being disloyal, but with bob dole perceived as a "weak nominee," pat buchanan i

pat buchanan what have you learned?. >> and what about you? >> nasa is a big friend of the "morning joe" family. way too early on thursday, the shuttle "atlantis" landing live. >> exciting. mika? what have you learned? >> that pat buchanan is not just a wealthy man. he's a job creator. >> schae job creator. >> and you know, mika, i learned, and that the media, there's a media blackout on the type of stories that won pulitzer prizes during the bush

join meg is pat buchanan and bill press. pat, look at this, you defended the yacht makers the other day on the show. how do you run a party like this where you say we're for the big fat cat executives. that's the winning strategy? >> the winning strategy in this whole debt ceiling battle. the president can land el the republicans. you're in the pocket of the rich and wall street and all the rest of it. what will in july is this -- the republican nets house will say, we need a debt ceiling. that's responsible. we need to raise it. they will raise that, they will tape of to it all of the biden cuts from the senate. that have been agreed to. you're not going to have a single tax increase in there. they are going to send it over to the united states senate. and barack obama is going to sign it. what we saw yesterday on barack obama's part, all that frustration, you know, malia and sasha, they don't do all-nighters, the rest of it, that suggests to me that barack obama knows he is over a barrel right now. >> i don't see that at al

in washington, pat buchanan. still can't get over the poll that came out last week, everybody has been talking about it. michelle bachmann. >> this is nationwide, not just iowa. there was an iowa poll out last week that looked like this as well. michelle bachmann now almost doubling mitt romney's lead. i'm sorry. i'm skeptical that this is going to last. pat, what do you say? >> joe, take a look at that poll, again. add up the numbers of michele bachmann, rick perry, sarah palin, you get to 47, throw ron paul in there, it's over 50. there's a huge gap, wide open on the right socially conservative side of the republican party. mitt romney ought to watch himself, joe. i don't think he's going to get away with talking about just the economy, the economy, the economy. i have never seen an opening this wide with a front-runner that's a sen tryst. >> pat, i cannot believe michele bachmann came out of nowhere, a congresswoman out of nowhere and almost doubling mitt romney and everybody else in the field. what is going o

has the big deal turned into a big fizzle, pat buchanan? >> it has not, john. did it for awhile but now it is back, and we're talking about something close to adds 4 trillion deal. the president is deep in negotiations with boehner and cantor, and here are the terms. you raise the debt ceiling, at the same time there are 3 trillion in cuts, and they deal with social security and medicare. there is no revenue enhancement. however, you get together some kind of commission which what it does, john, it drops tax rates in return for giving away these deductions, exemptions, allowances, breaks, which in effect is pure reaganism. there's one problem with that. there's a penalty if nothing is done by the end of 2012 the old reagan tax rates for the wealthy go back into effect. john, there's possibly a big deal for this reason. there is weeping and gnashing of teeth in the democratic caucus, in the senate, and in the house over what obama is dealing with boehner. >> boehner's got his problems, too. >> well, boehner -- i think cantor is in on this deal, it appears. of co

let's go there with pat buchanan.are going to get a debt deal done. is that eventually what is working against the president politically, that the logic of this is that he's got to sign at the end of the day whatever stops it from happening? >> we are going to get the debt ceiling which means he signed it. you and i talked to mr. sperling and dick durbin and what did they say? they simply would not rule in a veto. i think he's going to have to sign the agreement that harry reid and john boehner agrees to. he has no alternative. i think this crisis may be about to end. >> willie, you talked off the air that the president would veto an extension. >> eat your peas conference. that's when he said two weeks ago, under no condition will i sign a short-term deal. they were talking about a three-month deal. this is six months. but he was very clear and explicit saying this is not the way the united states of america conducts business in this piecemeal way. >> republicans have pushed aside the peas and went straight for the ch

. >> peter fann is the democratic strategic and pat buchanan is a former communications director for nald reagan. they're my boys. it's been a while. you're all gal vanting about during the summer. here we go, pat. you heard the president ask that, why would boehner walk away from a deal worth more than $3 trillion? >> well, as boehner said and the republicans said and the the president said, the republicans were agreeing to $800 billion in revenues, and they believe what happened is the president on thursday night met with the democrats who went bananas over the cuts he was making, the added cuts in social spending, medicare, medicaid. the president moved the goalpost. but that's not the fundamental point. the point is we're at deadlock gridlock, and we can't get a big deal in ten days. i think what ought to happen is what is going to happen and we will find this out by next weekend is that the republicans in the house have to pass a temporary debt ceiling of, say, six months and put on it the easy cuts from the biden deal where everybody agreed. put those on it, pass those on to the

pat buchanan, you heard the president. it was an extraordinary statement. but he also laid out specifics of what was on the table. he said that the offer had been 1.2 trillion and discretionary funds, 650 billion. in entitlements. and they were working it in a way he felt was more than on his side of the column. it was absolutely tilted toward the republican side. but he said that he doesn't see that they have the capacity to say yes. how do you respond to that, pat? >> first i thought the president was extraordinarily effective. secondly, reverend sharpton, yesterday many conservatives felt we were indeed close to a deal. and you had a lot of statements out of there that you would get an increase in the debt ceiling pb dramatic spending cuts. then reform the tax code, drop rates and give up all these exemptions, deductions and the things the president doesn't like. all of a sudden, mr. boehner, walked out. i think norah o'donnell's question is critical here. she said, republicans are saying the president with, after he met can democrats last night who rais

with us on set, we have msnbc political analyst pat buchanan. great to have you here in new york. >> hello. >> chairman of deutsche incorporated, donny deutsch, hello. all dressed up. >> back from the hamptons. >> i was there holding court. >> you were at nobu in the fourth of july. >> pat was there with a gaggle of -- i can't explain what was going on at that table. >> teenagers. >> they were of age. >> it's ridiculous what your life -- i really should blog about your life. middle aged man. >> my parents today celebrating 58th anniversary. >> that's nice. >> shout out to mom and dad. >> msnbc political analyst and visiting professor of nyu, herald ford. how were was your fourth? >> willie? where were you? >> new york city. >> with the black socks and sandals? >> exactly. >> i'm the legend here in the summer. no one is around. >> isn't it nice? >> you got to take care of my cats. >> you got the cats again, willie? >> is that still on, "cats." i don't think it's still on. >> so a lot is going on. thinking we're a little closer here. are we closer

. >> now msnbc political analyst pat buchanan. good evening, gentlemen. >> good evening, reverend. >> let me start with you mr. buchanan, how do you feel that the president started today, said today, in his twitter town hall meeting that republicans should not but a gun to the head of the american people. >> i think it is the president of the united states who is engaged in an act of ex trorgs. what he is doing reveren is this. he is telling the republicans in the house, look, you can go ahead and pass the increase in the debt ceiling that we want and you can pass the budget spending cuts that senate democrats, republicans agree upon. but if you don't give me new taxes, i will veto it and put this country into default. that is an act extortion. >> what new tax mr. buchanan? >> what new tax, pat? >> are you going to let me respond or what? >> yeah, if you're going to respond. >> i'm going to respond. republicans believe in their heart and they have made a pledge and they don't know of economic philosophy where you raise taxes when

let's bring in pat buchanan, as well as morris reed, a democratic strategist. y, huh? let's start with you, pat. over the past few days, we've been watching speaker boehner. is he reasserting his authority here or proved to some that the tea party members are really in charge? >> well, i don't know that the tea party members are in charge, but they certainly administered something of a humiliation to the speaker on thursday night when he had to pull the bill and go back again to them on friday. and i think at the end of this battle, richard, speaker boehner is going to be the man on the spot because of what richard wolffe said. what's going to happen when the house votes down this reid bill today, that's going to send a message to mitch mcconnell that you've got to get reid to change it. and when it's a reid-mcconnell bill, it's going to go back to the house and i don't think john boehner has enough republicans to pass it in the house. he's going to have to go to steny howier and get some democratic votes and the result will be a split in the republican party in

joining me now, pat buchanan, also joining us democratic strategist and cnbc contributor morris reid. gentlemen, good morning. >> looking at this plan, isn't it nearly everything republicans have wanted? and if so, why is it expected to be doa in the house? >> it hasn't come over back over to the house yet. the house passed a bill last night, which the senate killed. one of the problems with harry reid's deal is the same one the representative just mentioned who was on the show, mr. grimm of new york, and that is that harry reid's bill contains a lot of fraud. if we get $1 trillion in cuts by not having war in iraq and afghanistan beyond when we're not going to have war, you know, we're not going to attack pakistan, they can declare that as a saving too. but here's the problem, and the congressman stated it well. there are aspects of the two plans that are acceptable, and the president has vetoed those, and that is why mitch mcconnell is saying to harry reid, look, you're not going to impose your plan on a senate, 47 members who are republicans, we're going to have to deal. and i thin

here with more now is pat buchanan, former communications director for president reagan.ack. >> thank you. >> morris, i'll begin with you this time. the republican-led house is ready to reject reid's proposal before they get it. so if they're doing this before they see all of the details, do you see any chance of compromise at this point? >> i don't see any chance of compromise right now. but hopefully in the next 48 hours we will. i remind these republicans that ronald reagan raised the debt ceiling 17 times. so they need to get real. let's address the real issues in america, get past this and then try to fix it, just like every other american has to balance their budget, congress should have to balance their books. stay focused on managing and balancing the books. we should really be focused on making the dollar the currency of choice, the strong currency around the world. what we're doing is undermining the strength of america and republicans don't get that. >> pat, have you ever seen a standoff like this in washington with so much at stake? you heard senator conrad, o

and how can we for get the unfortunate incident that occurred with pat buchanan at the university ofestern michigan. it wasn't pie to be fair, it was salad dressing. but you get the idea here. last night by the way on "the daily show," jon stewart giving us his own take. take a look. >> the whole day of testimony was amazing. but perhaps no moment more remarkable than murdoch interrupting his son's opening statement. >> of the newspaper -- >> before you get to that, i'd just like to say one sentence. this is the most humble day of my life. >> not so humble you couldn't wait for your turn to talk. by the way, that was before some idiot tried to pie murdoch. the young woman in pink whose lightning reflex and devastating chuck norrisesque hand speed subdues him. that woman is rupert murdoch's wife, wendy. now, i'm not a big proponent of the four decade marriage age gap. but if ever there was a situation where it would pay dividends, it would be an ambush like that. of course the attack occurred after a period of the testimony where murdoch may have appeared somewhat vulnerable. asleep.

pat buchanan is right. pat is a pretty smart guy, al.take the deal to have a bill with no revenue through 2012. raise up the victory flag and declare victory. i believe it would be a hollow victory because i believe we fight them out in the 2012 election and kill them in the 2012 election and they can claim victory. >> the president put it all on the table. put everything they wanted on the table. but how do you talk to guys that watch ben affleck movies, get their ski mask ready and say, we got to hurt somebody. it'sç not an easy crew to negotiate with. >>> ahead, the tea party is rebelling against boehner. is his job in jeopardy? you'll hear what he says about it. >>> and michele bachmann claims to hate government spending. but we caught her taking another handout. that con job revealed next. ♪ ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you makes me happy ♪ when skies are grey ♪ you'll never know, dear ♪ how much i love you ♪ please don't take my sunshine away ♪ [ male announcer ] as long as there are babies, they'll be chevy's to bri

okay. >> pat buchanan what did you learn? mike. >> you've been watching the washington nationals. never touches him. >> got pat on my side. you're in trouble now. >> he was tagged prior to that shot. this is like the 1990 red sox game. he's out! >> let me ask the guys in the room. besides you, is he in or out? in or out? safe. >> doesn't matter. it's in the books. >> look it up in the books. red sox win. >> i do love the red sox. >> and jeter. great guy. >> it's "morning joe". we'll see you back

here's pat buchanan talking about the impact. >> obama has one problem. he's got one foot in radicalism, the folks in west virginia, they knew one thing about barack obama, jeremiah wright was his pastor and he lost 20 points. >> any right-wing opponent of barack obama could play that as a news program. >> and it's going on the web as well, youtube. you may have it played 200 times on television. it's being played a million times on youtube and the internet. people are going to it partly out of entertainment. partly to reinforce their own political views. but it's become sort of news. chris: especially when you have news networks who have points of view. they can say, it's just news, let's look at it again. >> and they're never put in context. it goes up on youtube, nobody says what the context was, and it goes viral. so there's never a frame around it saying, this is how this happened. this is the background in which it happened, this is background of the record. all of that is out. >> look at what barack obama did with reverend wright. you can't wait fo

david korn and an msnbc political analyst and pat buchanan, a political analyst as well for msnbc. i was watching you on "morning joe." working both ends ever the block. 12 hours after you began your day. never seen a republican democrat party, we have is a position, take it or leave it. we're not dealing at all with you. what do you think of the party platform now. >>> the republican party, the tea part platform in effect coming out of the house? >> i think the tea party has taken a p.r. beating you or others have described, chris. in public opinion as an intransigent group. the truth is they're going to win this battle. i'll tell you why. at the end of the day, we are going to get an increase in the debt ceiling. we are going to get budget cuts, maybe of $2 trillion, $1.5 trillion or $1 trillion. we're going to get no new revenue no new taxes nap is exactly the position of the republican party and the tea party movement. no new tax, let's cut the budget and have gotten it, quite frankly, chris, by digging their feet in, being tough, being -- resistant and standing by their princi

it was on a deal he made. >> pat buchanan. >> hi, pat. >> how you doing, steny?think, boehner is working hard. we don't want to play politics with it and he doesn't appear to have enough votes in his own caucus. has he come to you saying steny, i may not be able to get 217 in my caucus, i can get 205. can you deliver the votes for me to put the bill that i put together across to the senate and what would be your price for it? >> we have had such discussions. i have said publicly that if we could work together, then i would certainly try to help pass a bill as we did with the continued resolution, the bill to get the government running. it's our responsibility. i told john, i said we have to work together on this. again, let me go back to the newt gingrich speech. what we have now is the perfectionist caucus squared, if you will, or tripled where john boehner has a group of people who believe their way is the correct way and they are not prepared to compromise in any way. i didn't deliver the votes for what they want. john is having trouble delivering votes for th

pat buchanan. >> the democrats don't want to give up on their entitlement program and takes cuts and things like medicare. secondly and more important, republicans aren't going to give them a dime in tax hikes, john. but i'll tell how will win this. boehner has nor confidence, you see the president talk income panic. what the republicans will do is wait until about july 20th, and then take the biden cuts, all the biden cuts in social programs, tie them to the debt ceiling, and pass them in the house and send them to the senate, so you've got your debt ceiling raised for one year, with the biden cuts. i think the democrats, the president of the united states, will have to sign that. the republicans have an enormous weapon here and they've got the whip hand by just sending over these debt ceiling increases with cuts on them, again and again and again. that's how it will play out. >> are you saying the senate will be become part of the annual budget? >> i think the debt ceiling battle could -- that cook a six- month thing or one year thing every year. republicans have a whip here, john,

we hear nixon himself select pat buchanan, among others, for a special group with a special task. >> for the purpose not of cheering but solely of attacking and defending is of the highest priority. >> later in another memo david gergen sends along three possible short options for nixon's resignation letter. in another gergen says the president should say he's leaving with a heavy heart but without bitterness and ask the public to rally behind gerald ford, which he did. speaking of ford, there's a snarky letter from him complaining of being blacklisted by nixon who brought him on as vice president just over a week later. no hard feelings apparently. the memo showed diane sawyer, then a 25-year-old nixon white house aide, got in trouble for telling a family friend he was being nominated as a federal judge. problem is a u.s. senator was supposed to tell him first. sawyer apologized profusely. in 1969 george h.w. bush, then 45 years old, writes to a white house aide. when i grow up, i want to be president, i think. and then you can even see the end coming for the entire outfit, when dav

pat buchanan? >> they're equally big worries, john. despite the fact the president had an $800 billion stimulus fed is triple the money supply, three deficits of almost $5 trillion, the economy is dead in the water this. that argues for a stimulus of a reaganite stimulus or obama stimulus, but there's who more tools in the toolbox here. on the other side you have the debt deficit problem, which $10 trillion in deficits, which argues for austerity. spending cuts, taxations, so you've got two in total conflict. the president inherited aaron economy, john, that i think the only way this thing will go forward is through the old stagflation of the post-nixon era. >> eleanor? >> they've got to raise the debt ceiling even if it takes the president invoking the 14th amendment of the constitution and doing it under his own authority. they've got to do that because the consequences of that, the numbers you just put up on the screen, would look rosie compared to what the economy would look like if we defaults. we take the world's global economy w

pat buchanan? >> i don't know it would cause a double dip recession, john. it would hit the markets hard. but it's not going to happen. they're going to pass the debt ceiling, i believe. the president is not going to get any new taxes. the republicans can't give them to him and survive, quite frankly. so i think what you'll get is an increase in the debt ceiling and maybe some small budget cuts. but this has been an historic opportunity the republican had to use this debt ceiling to place cuts and send them down to the white house again and again and again, give the president the cuts, and frankly they could have rolled back the federal government and they have failed to do it. and they have lost the opportunity because they're too deeply divided. i'm not even sure, john, a debt ceiling can get through the house. >> the treasury will likely collect and tax receipts in august approximately $172 billion. that will leave a shortfall of expenditure over revenue of about $130 billion. what is going to happen? >> it would be catastrophic if they did not raise the

became east enjoyed a very young crowd, pat buchanan, i was a little over 31. bill safire, who was not a few years older than we were. also alan greenspan. a small campaign began to build. also my domestic counterpart. they put together a comprehensive programs. this is very important. it is important, when you study president reagan, to whom i was quite close over the years. when a it said that president nixon read, he did read deeply and he communed deeply with those who have specialized knowledge. he broke on tablets like that. that is exactly the way he wrote his inauguration speech. also his first inaugural address. all of these study habits and these deep discussion habits and thinking habits are brought to bear in a way that you cannot attribute to a lot of presidents we have known at least during my lifetime. that is not to say that they were not good, excellent, or even great in their own right. those that were the most serious and the most studious that i can recall in my own mind during this time of my life which spans from 1936 were to richard nixon

. >> i heard that pat buchanan's double whopper was the best meal he had in years. and the great peter king declared this morning on this very show, the detroit lions may go to the super bowl this year. >> well, if it's way too earlier, it's "morning joe." stick around because we go to chuck todd. ♪ put your little hand in mind ♪ there ain't no hill or mountain we can't climb ♪ >> okay, campers, rise and shine, don't forget your sunscreen, because it's hot out there. that's right, welcome to washington's groundhog day, it's a new day, but the debt ceiling standoff is going nowhere, and it's going nowhere fast. the hard sell, speaker boehner is going back to the drawing board after his plan came up short on spending cuts and he came up short on votes. brace yourself for a ten, 20 or 30-day extension. it's wednesday july 27. coming up, we'll get the very latest on this game of let's make a deal. from democratic senator chuck schumer, we can't get our debt ceiling raised and we're all by ourselves. let's go to my first read of the morning. hurry up and wait. let's flas

let's go to karen finney and pat buchanan, former communications director for president reagan. both msnbc political analysts in high esteem, i might add. good morning. here's the question to you, pat. is it not reasonable for millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share? >> i think as far as i know, they're paying 35% where half the country doesn't pay any income tax at all. to the point, the battle we got going here, alex, the president is i think using language beneath the level of his office, but it reflects a deep frustration because at the end of this battle, he knows what he's going to get is very serious budget cuts, sort of a biden plan, no tax increases and an increase in the debt ceiling. and if he gets that in the middle of july or late in july, he's going to have to sign it. but there is no way he can beat a tax increase out of the republican house because they simply won't pass it. >> now, here's an interesting angle as well, karen. ronald reagan says he never would have agreed to tax hikes if he'd known that the revenue would go to more spending. so, if th

. >> i'm joined now by msnbc political analyst pat buchanan and karen finney, good saturday morning totart with you, the president, is he the only adult in the room after a week of talks? we have no progress. >> i think he's going to get some progress if you read the papers this morning. the president, i think is coming around, he realizes now he's not going to get any tax increases, he's going to get his debt ceiling i think even out of the house. he's going to get some budget cuts, it's not going to be a big deal, but i think a lot of the drama is being drained out of this because i don't think there's going to be a halt to the increase in the debt ceiling, richard, i think it's going to be resolved. >> karen, what do you think? we have reports late in the week, house majority leader cantor saying that the president could be losing a little bit of his patience, is he losing some of it? >> i think america is losing it's patience, i think the president is kind of channeling that for us. i wanted to correct one thing that pat said, it's not the president's debt ceiling, i mean this defa

pat buchanan is the former communications director for president reagan and both our esteemed analystsanks for joining us. >> morning. >> okay, you know what, guys? we have that sound bite we were looking forso i'm going to role that. >> after our second child was born, we became pregnant with a third baby and it was an unexpected baby, but of course, we were delighted to have this child and the child was coming along and we ended up losing that child. when we lost that child, it changed us. you can get money wrong, but you can't get life wrong and i am committed to life. >> okay, so welcome. karen, she shared a very personal experience there. what's this do for her campaign? >> i think what's important about that experience is it's an opportunity for her to talk about her position on this issue from a very personal point of view so it doesn't just seem like campaign rhetoric or ideology, not to trivialize such an issue, but anytime a politician is able to bring a personal story to it, it gives people another sense about that person. it's also another sign that she is doing very well a

. >> my boys are joining us right now, pat buchanan, the former communications director for presidentn and an msnbc political analyst and democratic strategy peter finn. pat, does the public have a right to be angry this is not done now? >> well, you know, the public can be angry. it's their prerogative, but it's done because there's a fundamental disagreement and difference here. i think this meeting on saturday, alex, what is the purpose of it? i think the president realizes given the disastrous deadlock that he reported on last night after the markets closed and boehner came out and the president, you just had those comments on there that go to the republican motives, i think there's a fear on the president's part and probably on the republicans' part, that this deadlock, if it's perceived that way z of sunday night and monday morning, could have a disastrous affect on the markets in europe and asia coming across to the united states on monday. you could get a disastrous sell-off of some kind. my guess is out of this meeting you're liable to get some kind of reassurance that we are

i'm joined by nbc's political analyst karen finney and pat buchanan.ew poll out there that shows that 34% of people will blame the president if the debt celling is not raised. but 48% will blame republicans. does that mean that the president is winning the political battle? >> so far i think the president has won the battle hands down, he's got the pr advantage, he's got all these weapons and tools of the bully pull pipit over th himself and geithner and the ratings agency saying everything's going bad, but we haven't ended this battle yesterday and while the president's winning now, i think the winner in one sense is going to be eric cantor in the house because he solidified a tremendously powerful base inside the republican party, he's become more well known and more popular. and i think the president is going to lose to this extent. we're going to get no new taxes, we're going to get a debt ceiling raised and we're going to get significant cuts in the budget. quite frankly when you're chopping the budget of the federal government and no new taxes, t

pat buchanan nan, 28 years old, raymond price, 30 years old. i was a little over 30 years old, 31 years old. bill sapphire, who wasn't but a few years older than we were. alan greenspan, and a very interesting cast of characters, young, and a very small campaign staff, began to build. martin anderson, my colleague, my domestic counterpart, richard whalen, a great speech writer and thinker. this group of individuals put together, if you will, at mr. nixon's behest comprehensive programs. what ed said is very important. it is also important when you study president reagan, to whom i was quite close for a number of years prior to the presidency and then during the presidency. you have to understand that the man read and understood. and when ed said that president nixon read. he did read deeply, and he communed deeply with those who had specialized knowledge. he also wrote, and he wrote on tablets like that. that is exactly the way he wrote his note here. the asian speech from long island, his first inaugural address. all of these study habits, and

and i had been keeping issues for about two years of richard nixon's statements and i had pat buchanan sending me the speeches and i was cutting them up and this was before computers and xerox machines. i'd slice it out and put it in cards on a shoe box. there's a story within the story. this is while i was at the hoover institution. we had about 15 or 16 people on the staff and some people who would assemble my stuff and one of the side tasks in doing this for the year book on international communist affairs was to use one of the people to collect the richard nixon statements and i would categorize them so i had a shoe box full of cards and one day i gave it to a young ladder and i said, are you doing this work and she said, yes, i am, sir, and we got it done and i thought, where have i seen her before? on the cover of "time" magazine was the story of an interracial marriage that had taken place among two stanford students, one of them being dean rusk's daughter. dean rusk's daughter was organizing my nixon issues cards. so i went back the next day and said, excuse me, you're margaret