which is -- it's as people will recall, pat buchanan occupies a significance place in both of campaigns he ran. and i think that's where the conversation should start shifting, which is as a mainstream candidate, no republican candidate has won without having the support of latino voters like george w. bush did. but the conversation around it has to shift in terms of voters he's tapping into, much like '96 around buchanan. >> of course, donald trump has a lot more personal money than pat buchanan did when he ran in '92 and '96. let me turn to the coverage of ben carson who we could also say was underestimated by the media. clear number two to donald trump nationally. and so, he put out a fund raising letter, matt. and he has been getting to the media on many statements that we think are controversial. and he says i've come under attack. nearly every word twisted and spun and blatant lies being told about what i believe that's pretty sharp language. >> well, look, if fund raising is incendiary by definition. this goes back to the negativism. beating up oen the press, george h.w. bush. an

the prediction where it has shifted is that he is now going to be the pat buchanan of the election cycles you recall occupied a significant place in both of the campaigns he ran in 1992 and 1996. that is where the conversation should start shifting which is the mainstream candidate, no republican candidate has won without the support of that family voters, but the conversation has to shift in terms of the voters he is tapping into. >> of course, donald trump has a lot more personal money that pat buchanan when he ran in 1992 and 1996. >> and we could say that ben carson was underestimated, clear number two to donald trump nationally and put out a fundraising letter and he has been getting into it with the media open many segments we thing are controversy and said he is under attack every word is twisted and spun and blatant lies have been told about what i believe. it is not unusual for candidates to mix it up with the press but that is sharp language. >> fundraising is incendiary and it goes back to agnew and nixon and beating up others. this is a try asked true technique. ben carson sa

pat buchanan.s not compare you ever to pat buchanan. >> we're both from washington, d.c. um, so here's the concept, and i don't know whether the boss will buy it, but "in april i put you on warning and now i'm throwing you out of the game." t you're done. you had your opportunity to deliver. there've been a few flagrant fouls like blaming this on the president for not enforcing the law when he's deported more people, or exploiting these little kids coming across the border and now you're out. democrats, the president is the only player left on the field, and we're gonna make sure that he's..." but don't you think that if gutiérrez is doing like this to the republicans that picture will be in every single paper in spanish? >> where'd you get these? >> i don't know. >> newspaper. you don't remember? >> no. this is for the special world cup edition. >> so do you like the red card ejection, susan? >> i love it. i love it. >> yeah. >> it's current. >> it's very hip, doug. >> it is choreography and the u

even pat buchanan won the new hampshire primary in 1992 against a sitting president. it is not unusual. >> the only problem, mr. priebus is -- >> did win in '96. >> he said '92. >> to his defense, very possible he was conflating '96 to '92. but it is important in '92. >> everything they talked about for 20 year, conflating 9/11 with iraq. >> a larger point here. >> chemical weapons with nuclear weapons. >> a larger point, pat buchanan didn't win in '92, but he won. he did win. he drove bush's numbers down with conservatives. he became the face of the conservative movement and bush republicans will say he caught -- he started the conversation that cost them the presidency. started the conversation and finished that conversation at the national convention in houston and incendiary, primetime speech, the country reacted very negatively to it. did tremendous amount of damage in the general election electorate. >> still there and still part of the fight and it's been a fight that's been ongoing over 20 years now. and time is coming to a head in this election. >> a wise man

. >> will it be affected by the views of pat buchanan! >> john, i think i've made significant inroads into the republican -- >> wrong! >> well, i think pat ran ray decent case. >> wrong! tony maroney! >> well, i don't think pat has anything to be ashamed of. >> wrong! he had no impact ma so far. itamt help support brain health - now that's smart nutrition. ensure's complete balanced nutrition has 26 vitamins and minerals and 9 grams of protein. ensure. take life in. with their airline credit card miles. sometimes those seats cost a ridiculous number of miles... or there's a fee to use them. i know. it's so frustrating. they'd be a lot happier with the capital one venture card. and you would, too! why? it's so easy with venture. you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. just book any flight you want then use your miles to cover the cost. now, that's more like it. what's in your wallet? is youyou may be muddling through allergies.lode? try zyrtec®-d to powerfully clear your blocked nose and relieve your other allergy symp

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it seemed like he was saying the kind of thing that pat buchanan said about world war ii. let the russians fight the nazis and see who wins. he is saying like assad who we don't like fight isis who we fear and let them duke it out. that sounds fairly appealing to americans who don't want to get in the fight. >> it is a simplistic playground thing to say. however, he is saying it in the absence of a credible u.s. plan. >> it's the only game in town because the president -- we both like the president's policies but he doesn't have any anti-isis -- >> that's not an easy thing to come by. >> trump has something and he just -- >> putin will be on their side. fight it out to the end. what did he say? pick up what is left of the rubble? >> pick up the remnants on the floor. >> it's not parquet? >> thomas freedman wrote a column saying not far from the same thing that if vladimir putin is fool enough to get himself entangled in this mess that we have created between iraq, iran and syria then let him go for it and see how it works out. he is saying something. >> assad is not a good

but it's actually paul saung is, hillary clinton, pat buchanan all won primaries.owa has picked the last four general election winners and if you win iowa you go on to be a major nominee's for president about 75% of the time. i think it's because of how you have to win iowa. you cannot come in here with a batch of consultants and a whole bunch of money and a war chest, drop it on a couple of major media outlets and buy it with a primary like ads. you have to engage people whether it's republicans or democrats. they have to get to know you as a person often on a first name basis. that gives us a chance to see the sincerity of the candidates that maybe you don't get necessarily in a big money state. >> i'm from minnesota so i totally understand the midwest and the sincerity aspect of it and really meeting people in the face-to-face setting but look on the republican side. you had rick santorum winning that last time. obviously he was not the gop nominee. so is iowa a better predictor of democrats? >> not necessarily. the republicans have never nominated a candidate e

you saw that in 1996 and 1992 with pat buchanan way over on the right but made common cause with a lotd more liberal democrats on that issue. at that time it was nafta. now it's the trans pacific partnership. we see trade as a big issue in our politics, not because it's sexy to talk about on television but because it really relates directly to jobs. people truly believe that jobs are at stake in these trade deals and it makes for a populism in our politics. >> we had that at the top of the show. when donald trump is in south carolina, he was talking about jobs for immigrants versus jobs for veterans. he is still playing that today. he thinks it works. >> it's funny seeing a guy leading a peasants with pitch forks campaign from trump tower. the other thing about these insurgencies and outsiders, they almost never win the white house, especially if they haven't held elective office before. in the entire history of this country, we only had four presidents who had not held elective office before. all of them were generals in the u.s. military. >> i'm glad you raised that issue of the mili

. >> and that they should do that themselves by the time they saw what they're doing with pat buchanannd vetoed it and we could override that veto. but it was a marvelous piece of legislation and we will not give up until we do it. to get the child care block grant with up the comprehensive standards but we will get there. what i feel so strongly about was the medicaid expansion. >> we should build that in to provide basic health services there is no better legislative strategy or coalition since then but it encourages us to keep at it. if we don't win the country will not win. i that i would be out of business now and i love something that came to my house one day with the words of the anonymous critic the first lesson was don't miss the boat will miss the boat and we made a lot of progress over the last decade if the country doesn't invest in his children in the early years with their education is the key national security issue 74 percent of our 18 year olds cannot be picked up for health care or cursor ration rates those don't come from without it in to invest in our children and e

you see some of it in ross perot, some of it in pat buchanan and now in donald trump. >> you say it'sto believe that those who support donald trump right now are only drawn to him because of his personality. you say it's largely his ideological positions, but here's the thing. whether it was george wallace's campaign, ross perot's campaign, they didn't succeed at that in the end. so what lesson can donald trump take? >> look, let me put it this way. it is his personality. it is his way of being able to speak to an audience, to talk to them not as if he's give iing a speech. it's his reputation as a billionaire, as a deal maker. and it's an anti-washington sentiment, but it's a sentiment that's based on the idea, and this it goes back to ross perot, that he's a guy that can come to washington a kind of man on a white horse and transform everything. it's not an anti-leader. it's anti-washington. there's a big difference in that. he's not a libertarian in that sense. he's not somebody who is simply anti-washington. the people there are stupid and he's smart and he's going to fix things.

in '96 bob dole won beating pat buchanan by just a few points. >> trump did conced though that the arthis own book, was his second favorite book and that the bible was better than the art of the deal. >> to the bible. i bet you he could pull out an excerpt -- yes. i think maybe he's differing to only god, right? but i think it also would be easier for him to probably poll from his favorite part of the art of the deal than it would be from the bible earlier this fall. >> he shouldn't take it, right? we all know he's not an overly religious person. >> sure. >> i think if he starts quoting bible verses and pretending he's an evangelical christian. >> it's a problem. >> nobody's going to believe that. >> guys, thanks very muchme. coming up, harrowing pictures hitting terrorism in the center of two countries. romantic moments can happen spontaneously, so why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom? with cialis for daily use, you don't have to plan around either. it's the only daily tablet approved to treat erectile dysfunction so you can be ready anytime the

. >> pat buchanan certainly had his moment when he ran. ross perot had his moment.ad many charismatic candidates run for president. at the end of the day, republican primary are conservative in their approach. neil: conservative in some has a lot of meaning these days. and antiestablishment guy. are you, the establishment guys. you are sort of an establishment in establishment and to teach, if you will. trump, carson. they keep getting written off. we keep seeing polls that seem like they are getting stronger. >> going up and down. >> they are going up. >> that is where you want to go. there will be lots of movement between now and election day. charles: your organization, can this harm you? our sin or trump coming out of this. the power structure. the republican party. >> no. all of those candidates will be good for the republican party would have to face hillary clinton or joe biden. charles: thank you very much. we have a michigan woman. she wants $300 million. tell stuart that the lottery does pay off. a special message from her lawyer. you focus on making great

i remember pat buchanan talking about how he considered a win in iowa worth $100 million in advertising it's $100 million in earned media. and if lose iowa and you lose new hampshire for hillary clinton, that's two weeks of horrific bleeding politically. if you're donald trump and you win iowa and new hampshire, you actually get to a point here, and this is what halperin and i talk about, it's going to be hard for any republican to catch you because then you turn south. donald trump is going to sweep through the south. he's going to sweep through south carolina if what's happening now is any indication of what's going to be happening next spring. >> we're talking about it right now. it's october 5th. iowa and new hampshire are boom, boom. boom, boom. if you take two shots to the jaw in iowa and new hampshire, the referee is going to stop the fight. you're done. because of your expertise, the money. he'd chop his arm off and his leg off and leg off, it's a flesh wound. no, it's not. you're dead. >> the reports that authorities foiled another school shooting plot, this time in california.

this goes back -- >> pat buchanan. >> that's right.hold in the conservative movement in the '60s. and really with the nixon white house in many ways, and it's been carried through basically since watergate. >> nattering. >> it has only grown inside the party. it used to be a small part of the party who believe this, and it's grown. whether a majority -- look, i guarantee half the guys on the stage didn't believe half of what they were saying about some aspect of the media. but they know it works. >> every day out in talk radio, on fox news, the equivalent of millions of dollars is spent communicating to republican primary voters listening to talk radio, through social media, none of this is on the level. that this is all part of an effort that is complicit in acting the president's agenda. what these voters believe coming back to explain why we have 60% of these republican voters supporting these outsider candidates. they believe that barack obama has succeeded. he has won. he has changed the country. and he's done it with a complicit,

host: there is an article by pat buchanan that said the speakership today is almost like accepting a poisoned chalice. guest: that is my question. you shouldn't -- that is my point. you should not take this bigger ship until you have gotten a commitment from the folks were wandering around the hall with their daggers that there is going to be no more attempt to basically eviscerate the capacity to govern. host: this is ralph joining us from battle creek, michigan. good morning. yes.r: as far as i understand the last time we had a balanced budget was under bill clinton in the last two years of his presidency . during the clinton administration they raised taxes somewhat, and the deficit started to come down. the reagan deficits were becoming unmanageable at that clintonnd the administration raised taxes and balanced the budget near the end of the term. that george bush came in and said we had too much money, and he said let's cut taxes again, like we did under reagan. the deficit went through the roof. we started two wars that were unfunded, as the previous caller said. they were off

if you look at the composition of trump's vote, they're pat buchanan's vote.f them, not all of them. they're not going anywhere. they're going to stick with trump, i think, right down the road. >> they're going to stick with trump. what i am finding, too, and mark harp halperin, curious if you're finding the same thing. i was talking to a top banker in new york city who -- again, i am shocked that this cuts across all demographic boundaries and all idealogical boundaries, who told me i have voted conservative, i have gone with the establishment my whole life. he is 60 years old. he swore -- he said blank blank-it, i am voting for trump. i am voting for trump. there is -- i must say, i am blown away by the people that come up to me, whether in new hampshire or even in manhattan across the country that are using donald trump as a vehicle for -- for a generation of anger and angst. these are educated people with advanced degrees. you start to try to talk through issues with them. it all goes back to they don't know what they're doing in washington, maybe this guy