people came out of the voting booth in the hundreds knowing, realizing that they had punched pat buchanan'sr thinking it was al gore. >> had the butterfly ballot not happened al gore would have been president of the united states, no doubt in my mind, period. >> a big glitch that after election day left gore scrambling to fix the unfixable. >> they had a real argument to make about that ballot but only before the election. they didn't have it afterwards. the democrats signed on it. the republicans signed off on it and it was designed by a democratic elections director in palm beach county. >> he had very few options to fundamentally change the outcome after that. >> so how and how hard to fight? questions that would dog and divide the democrats. >> when you're in a fight the first person who stops fighting always loses. it's more than the cloud. it's security - and flexibility. it's where great ideas and vital data are stored. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions from a trusted it partner. including cloud and hosting services - all backed by an industry leading broadband n

and i think that the american people will not move as far to the right as pat buchanan is suggesting. we didn't elect president trump because of the paris attacks. tom: i think 2016 will be the most challenging years in terms of france. what pat is talking about, marine de pen is moving towards a presidentle victory in terms of what's happening. clarence: you can expect to see more colleges facing student protest. unlike pat's remedies, most will act proactively to try to get dialogue going. pat: one or two, clarence. i've been expeled. it's not that bad. john: all right. let's settle down and get realistic. this year's black friday retail sales failed who top last year's $50 billion figure. continuing a three-year downtrend for black friday. but retailers should not panic. overall holiday sales will still be up this year.

that's the only foreign policy speech pat buchanan did write. instruction from the president was don't show it to henry. he said he would have calmed it down. to make it worse, statement came over the white house after the students were killed, speech writer staff sworn they never seen it. usually the rule is we would see all the words before it went out as a final check. i don't know where the statement came from. somebody if the press office. it got out. then a sentence out of context can become inflammatory. and the phrase was something that went out. dissent turns to violence. it invites tragedy. that sounds okay except it seem to be blaming the victims. it wasn't accompanied by other expressions of sympathy or regret. it had a terrible effect on the nation's campuses. >> [indiscernible]. >> i don't think it does. what happened the next day nixon went to the pentagon and a woman's husband was in vietnam. and tried to say to her, hurt husband is such a great hero. we had bombs around the campuses blowing things up. that got played up. the wro

limbaugh endorses pat buchanan, so what does bush do? he invites limbaugh over to the white house to spend the night, and carries a suitcase for him. that shut down limbaugh. suddenly he was browing bush as campaign events. but the 24-hour cycle really was -- and hits diary is full of remarks about how the press drives him crazy. any president who says they don't read the notices is not telling the truth. >> john, thanks very much for joining us. >> thanks, howie. >>> next on "mediabuzz," gawker dropping the gossip to cover the 2016 campaign and go after other donald trump and other candidates. stay with us. a "washington post" editor who once handled the paper's gossip column. does gawker getting out of the media business that gossip is very, i don't know, 2009. >> it does mean that, but it also mean that's the election is far more interesting than anything else happening in the media landscape. so of course they've decided to throw their hat into the election ring because what bigger story is there than election 2016? >> it's huge! to

. >> karl, ross perot, pat buchanan, herman cain, the tea party raising cain but seems the g.o.p. wanders back to career politics, whether it be president bush 43 or senator mccain or governor romney. so, is there anything different about these outsiders this time? >> well, the difference of these outsiders they have not held public office. look at the names you just mentioned. george w. bush was not a washington politician. he had been the governor of texas. mitt romney had been the governor, one term, of massachusetts, and a successful businessman. remember the appeal of mccain in 2000? he was a washington maverick. that was his call sign for his campaign. so we have always had outsiders, whether it's steve forbes, who didn't hold public office, or a ronald reagan who was a california governor, who had been outside of washington. in fact, evenin' 1968 when we had a consummate insider knock named by the republicans, richard nixon, he made his argument the insiders were nelson rock feller and the eastern republican so we have three people who have never held office. >> i bet if yo

and it is a conspiracy to flood the country with cheap latin american labor and it sounds like pat buchanan was a really strange evolution on the left i think. >> it is amazing how little the argument that bernie makes has evolved. it sounds exactly the same about the income distribution, et cetera. >> it is like an episode of "mr. rogers" but mr. rogers is telling everyone to kill the rich. >> wasn't that the subtext of it with the trolley and feeding the fish? >> nobody wanted to be around this man whatsoever. i think he has digressed with his presentation. i think he was slightly more charming back in the day. now he has adults running away from him. >> he's angry. >> what is amazing is i will say, i agree that the similarity between him and trump is whether you greaty or disagree they sound authentic. this is who he is. this is what he believes in. that's why he -- it is appealing in an uncle saul kind of way. i want to get him a blanket. >> he reminds us of an uncle or grandpa. his son was not charmed to be hanging out with dad. >> his son was the first guy to feel the burn in his arm

primaries with pat buchanan and a lot of people in the conservative movement who are reporting on theonal security and public safety. but with regard to this book, on the economic impact. on u.s. workers, on both ends of the pay scale. >> i haven't had a chance to read -- but i read the cliff notes to be honest and you talk about what illegal immigration does for workers here. bob beckel was saying they don't take jobs from americans. >> he is in fantasy land. for the democrat party, it should be a wakeup call. peter kersnow is a black independent lawyer who sieves on the civil rights commission. and he has long warned based on research and real life experience on how illegal immigration has an impact particularly on black underemployed and unemployed people who are at the low wage. look at south central los angeles and the way it is transformed. you cannot pretend there are no impact or consequences. >> who has the best idea, guys and lady? >> so this is what is wonderful about being able to talk in a sane atmosphere where people are not cartoon characters. it's not as simple as wall

rush limbaugh endorses pat buchanan so what does bush do?es rush limbaugh over to the white house to spend the night and carries a suitcase for him and that shut down rush limbaugh and suddenly three was introducing him at campaign events. the 24 hour cycle was taking shape in first burn years and the diary is full of we remarks about how the press drives him accuracy. -- him crazy. >> john meacham thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> gawker dropping the gossip to cover the 2016 campaign and going after donald trump and other distruce republican -- disastrous republican candidates . so finally, i had an important conversation with my dermatologist about humira. he explained that humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms. in clinical trials, most adults saw 75% skin clearance. and the majority were clear or almost clear in just 4 months. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. gas russ. as have blood, liver, and nerv

pat buchanan accused president obama of being an objector on the wor of cops and fox news with trotted others. >> president obama waded into this with the inflammatory rhetoric and breathed life into the anti-cop sentiment that now exists in the united states. >> you can't talk about the criminal justice system unless you talk about the disparities of victimization. one person could bridge that gap most effectively. so far he's talked about half of the equation. >> you bet it's open season on law enforcement. law enforcement are under siege. we recognize it. we see it everywhere we go. and you can rest as sured that it started on the false lie, this premise in ferguson, missouri, hands up, don't shoot. black lives matter. all based on a lie. >> about a week after lieutenant gliniewicz's death, the lake county coroner told a reporter right now all unnatural deaths are up for suggestion. that was a big strange and set off a new round of claims. his son said he never had a suicidal thought. investigators largely remain silent citing the ongoing investigation. today after two months they f

there's also an outsider, sometimes, you know, pat buchanan, sometimes even more formidable.s not my party, so the likelihood of me being wrong is pretty close to 100%. it seems to me the power is in the outsider bracket. people, republican establishment types who i know in washington are very excited about senator rubio and governor kasich and governor christie, jeb bush. they don't add up to either trump or carson. so maybe they fade if they do -- i'm not just sucking up to amanda. ted cruz is the one i would put money on. he could ignite the outsider wing and maybe do well enough with a few establish. people. >> you're making his argue. for him. i never thought that would have happened. >> i'm from texas. he steam rolled that state. he's a really, really talented guy. >> i want to throw something into this debate. last night we talked about how republicans have to do more to i've been thinking about it today. if it does indeed come down to a cruz-rubio race. you have two leading hispanics who will be able to carry a strong conservative message on immigration. that's someth

you know, one of the candidates we had who didn't do very well was pat buchanan. what did he do? he didn't just leave the debates. he left the party. that's another challenge for the party chairman is to keep everybody in the boat because it's going to be very important that we don't have one of these candidates do a third party candidacy in what will obviously be a very close election. >> do you think that's a possibility? >> no, i don't have any reason to think that they will. in fact, i think he has them all committed to supporting the winner of the primary process including done trump who signed a piece of paper saying that he would and i take him at his word that heal do that if he doesn't win the nomination himself. >> i can't imagine donald trump reneging on a deal. thank you very much. >>> coming up, benny sanders joins me to talk about his strategy to catch hillary in the polls and he weighs in in a shocking study. plus is there an imposter in candidates' clothing. compelling arguments that one of the republican candidates isn't actually running for president. later, arg

the great phrase of pat buchanan, these are peasants with pitchforks as he described his constituencyere's a lot of that going on out there. there's the essence of a democracy. people are coming in who hadn't before because they want to shake their fist and say this is what i want. whatever law of physics you want to apply to this doesn't work because there's a whole new set of rules being established out there. the one thing that i've always liked is that it does cause people to pay attention and when we have these debates you see how their minds work. you have an idea where they are and where they want to go. that's a good thing. >> to see 24 million people tune into a debate, don't assume the worst why people are watching. we just got surprising political news out of kentucky tonight. would you mind staying with me to talk about that in just a moment? >> i would. >> we'll be right back with former "nbc nightly news" anchor tom brokaw with reaction to some of the kentucky news in just a moment. stay with us. [ horn honks melody ] well, well. if it isn't the belle of the ball. gentle

. >> well, they would probably be still going for pat buchanan. >> but cruz is moving and gene and mollyo be moving at the expense of carson. >> that's true. i was at a trump rally in south carolina this week and almost literally every single person i spoke to, these are all trump supporters, if they had a second choice, a lot of them are trump or nothing but if they had a second choice it was ted cruz and a lot of them want a trump/cruz or a cruz/trump ticket. and that was not the case a month or two ago. there was not that buzz so cruz is gaining mind share among republican primary voters. carson is losing it i think partly because of the questions about his foreign policy acumen and the events overseas. people don't see him as tough enough. they like he's a healer. they like he's a uniter but he doesn't have that machismo that trump has. and that cruz has to some extent. >> tomorrow, bulk data collection of the nsa ends. it totally ends. it's totally changed. ted cruz is on one side of the issue, marco rubio on the other. marco rubio supporters, the super pac, 501(c)(4) have hit cruz

policythe only foreign speech that pat buchanan did right in his structure from the president was -- don't show it to henry -- henry kissinger -- who would have conned me down. that had a polarizing effect on opinion. to make it worse a statement came out after the students were killed. speechwriters swore they'd never seen it or check it. that wethe rule was would see all the words before they went out as a final kind of check. i don't know where the statement came from. someone said someone in the press office, and it got out in a sentence out of context can become inflammatory and the phrase was something that went out in the president's name. maybe he even wrote it, though i don't think so. it was something like -- when dissent turns to violence, it thates tragedy area and sounds ok except it seemed to be blaming the victims and it was not accompanied i other expressions of sympathy or regret. had a terrible effect on the nation. readily anybody does, do you? >> [inaudible] [laughter] mr. huebner: the next day nixon went to the pentagon and sent to a woman there sympathetically -

he learned the lesson of don't alienate the base or pat buchanan will face you in a primary exam.'t neglect to get bsaddam an from the sun belt, not a moderate new england republican. so i think there's a lot to that. in terms of jeb, i guess jeb would have to distinguish him from bush 1 and bush 2 which would require some sort of clintonian try angulation data i won't sketch here. >> i think we have raised so many topics here about ideology, policy, issues, transition, management and then through the course of the conference examining each of these topics in more categories. why don't we open it up and see if we have a questions to address in the time we have? i think we have an mic. ed rollins is right there. >> at the end of this very superb conference, you tapped into something that's very instrumental. you have to remember that george h.w. bush who had all the titles and what have you and wanted to be president even before a lot of people thought he was qualified to be president and got to be president because ronald reagan chose him at the last minute at the convention and i

not a very pretty picture. 1980 ronald reagan beat up on george bush after bush won iowa. 1992 pat buchananwell against george herbert waublker bush. 2000 john mccain beat george walker bush in new hampshire. so it's not necessarily a very promising territory to start with. and, you know, he's obviously not doing very well there now. >> ana, you know him well. is he determined to go on even if he's sixth, seventh place in a lot of these critical early state polls? >> oh, yes. there's no question in my mind that jeb bush is going on. he's got a fightig spirit. he's got a backbone of steel. he's committed to doing this. and he's a fierce competitor. look, the polls are very volatile right now. jeffrey's right. jeb is not going to change the core of who he is, but he understands that he needs to be more forceful. that he can't be constantly answering the question of whether he's got the fire in the belly or not. he's got to show that he does. but definitely jeb has got the discipline, the patience, the humility and the commitment to stay in this. and the money. the money and the structures and

to goldwater again, is that they wander through the wilderness and they have a love affair with pat buchananey always end up back at their most electable candidate. i don't think trump is electable, maybe carly fiorina is electable but i think they're still going to find their way back to bush or rubio. >> carly fiorina is a good candidate but she's now get ago tacked by the media and joe kernen -- ben carson is a nice man without much experience. wait till we get to march 1st when there are all those primaries. i think that may be the doom of these candidates who are leading now. but i concede they're doing a lot better than i thought they would. >> let me ask you guys a final question. do you believe jack kemp is the most important republican in the 20th century to have never been elected president? >> absolutely. there's no question about it. when you see what he achieved and that is mainly with his tax cuts but also with a model for the republicans but he created once reagan adopted his supply-side tax cuts, cutting the tax rates, prosperity in the country and it had a world wide impact.

he learned the lesson of don't alienate the race, or else pat buchanan will say see you in a primaryaign. don't be overly deliberative, rather be decisive. and talk about how you're fromgm . >> george w. was not his favorite son. george w. was his oldest son, never viewed as the politician in the family. jeb was the politician x they both ran for governor at the same time. obviously, if jeb would have won, he'd have a tougher opponent, george w. may not have ended up being the president. george w., i think, examined very closely the failure of his father. his father got 37% of the vote and had the most, largest defection among republicans of any president other than william howard taft in 1904 when teddy roosevelt ran against him. so i think to a certain extent he wasn't his father's favorite political son. he loved his father dearly. i don't think he saw his father as the governing model, and i think he thought that ronald reagan, basically, had been sort of dismissed by his father as not being as significant as he may be. i think he saw reagan as kind of a model. and i think to a c

don't alienate the base or pat buchanan will face you in a primary campaign. , bet be overly deliberativend talk about how you are from the sun belt, not a new england republican. there is a lot to that. in terms of jeb bush, he would have to distinguish himself from would requirehich some clintonian triangulation. topicsave raised so many about ideology, policy, issues, transitions, management, and through the course of the conference, examining each of these topics in more categories. let's open it up to questions to address. we have a microphone here. >> at the end of this superb conference, you tap into something instrumental. you have to remember that george presidentwant to be before -- and got to be president because ronald reagan chose him. you could not have two governors from two westerners next to each other. you cannot have a football player in a movie star. and was a wonderful man history will reflect back on that, but george w. bush is not his favorite son. was never viewed as the politician of the family, jeb bush was a politician who went back and did all the things and th