is a populist, he said that he had to run against pat buchanan because pat buchanan was a nazi who hated blacks, hated jews and was going to run to save that party of ross perot. we are going to focus on trade, on what they called the jobs going south of nafta. that was going to be donald trump focus. that was back when he was pro-choice, social issues were a distraction. with the focus on the separate pat buchanan is crazy, we don't want to talk about him. then we see donald trump again when he reemerges in the political world, it is coming after obama for allegedly forging his birth certificate. and what he learned along the way his assent that pat buchanan learned from george wallace. which is, on the right, social issues cut harder than economic ones. and on the right -- so, this is i think manifesting itself in the world right now what's going on with populism. social issues, cultural populism is the promise of the right and economic populism is that province on the left substantially. bernie sanders and donald trump are both populist. bernie sanders is a liberal populist who thinks

expand on that absolutely pat buchanan i think pat buchanan's a big part of the story pat buchanan who challenged you know he was the original television pundit turned political candidate you know pat buchanan got his prominence sort of his national prominence by being on the mic loughlin group in the one nine hundred in the one nine hundred eighty s. by being on crossfire on c.n.n. and then he challenges george h.w. bush in the one thousand nine hundred two republican primaries he does better than expected he runs again in ninety six he actually wins the new hampshire primary the republican primary in new hampshire he beats bob dole there's this moment where he might actually win the republican nomination the buchanan platform throughout the one nine hundred ninety s. tell me if this sounds familiar at all he said he was he was deeply concerned about the flow of illegal immigration across the southern border with mexico and therefore he wanted to build a barrier a fence or a wall along the entire southern border with mexico he said it wasn't just that he was also afraid of the pace of

pat buchanan is featured in a lot of documentaries. he usually has the final say in a lot of them. i don't know why, but he is a -- and continues to be a quite aggressive supporter of nixon, and is part of the rehabilitation project to try to make people think that nixon was not just the president of watergate but was something the nation should be proud of. daniel moynihan, is one of many "establishment figures" who are brought in 1969. i think this is part of a half-sincere effort made by must ask and his advisers to bring in moderates and liberals for his administration but it soon fastballs apart. but the end of 1969, a lot of moderates and liberals including daniel patrick moynihan who was one of the president's favorites in the first year lose a lot of influence they lose it very quickly. i'll be more than happy to talk to you afterwards. there may be one more question before we end. >> guest: you should say in the nixon white house. -- the nixon library, i've always had a feeling that it was part of the extended cover-up that it was tilted towards nixon, and belittled his cr

for that matter they think of pat buchanan pat buchanan was also there and that butterfly ballot mayve had a factor i think 2001 created this framework where people think these third party candidates can completely thank history. >> if anybody wants to know more about that, you write a lot about that in your book. it's become very constructive for us to go over that again steve kornacki, good to see you, nbc news national political correspondent. let's take a quick look at markets before trading wraps up for the day. actually all of that red is an improvement. it was down over 400 earlier today. dow looks doto be closing 230 points lower, a little less than 1% you're seeing a drop a little lower than that. about .8 of a percent on the s&p 500 but bigger drop on the nasdaq because nvidia is coming up with a poor outlook for the future caterpillar had a poor outlook for the future caterpillar is often a harbinger with global growth the world may be slowing down in anticipation, maybe, of a recession and that's what the markets are indicating let's end the hour with a quick update of th

pat buchanan, steve king and donald trump wantst the wall bui as an ethno nationalist project to maintainhite come dance in america. it's a -- dominance in america. it's a welcome step that republicans are finally taking actionic to wrap the knuckles of their most notorious racist. on day 24 of the longest shut down, mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy and congressional republicans are active collaborators in pursuing steve king's project. >>> look, putin, from everything i see has no respect for this person. >> well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the united states and it's pretty clear. >> you're the puppet. >> the clinton campaign pointed out repeatedly all the ways in which their opponent appeared to be manipulated by or compromised by russia. hillary clinton tweeted like i said, a puppet. former presidential adviser of hillary clinton. what is your reaction from your perch of having gone through that election and watched secretary clinton make explicitly the case to the news we have gotten over the weekend. >> watching that clip and watching a piece that the

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wine poured into it america first rhetorical bottle it so it was woodrow wilson masquerading as pat buchanan i think will he or his speechwriter was trying to give the impression this is what mr trump promised in two thousand and sixteen what he's really giving us is what has been destroying america in the world for the last thirty years where we get to be the sovereign over the entire planet and tell everybody else to do but we don't we don't actually look out for our own narrow national interests i mean we can send troops illegally to syria but we can't send them to our own border to defend that good point daniel it's this universal is ation of america.

line poured into an america first rhetorical bottle it so it was woodrow wilson masquerading as pat buchanan i think will he or his speechwriter was trying to give the impression this is what mr trump promised in two thousand and sixteen what he's really giving us is what has been destroying america in the world for the last thirty years where we get to be the sovereign over the entire planet and tell everybody else to do but we don't we don't actually look out for our own narrow national interests i mean we can send troops illegally to syria but we can't send them to our own border to defend that good point daniel it's this universal is ation of american long because i mean we have this situation with a chinese national that was detained in canada who. are we the chinese company here as we're sitting down here i read that a former canadian diplomat has been detained in china so now the the game begins here i don't understand how you know you know a lot or lose them makes america stronger it seems to me the new is isolating itself more and more from the world yeah i gae agree with that is th

we have seen pat buchanan in the right of president george w. bush. further,k a little bit lyndon johnson only got, only won by sort of unprimessive actually over mccarthy in 1968 and decided not run fanned he did have someone like john kasich or jeff and that person, know, basically decapped to new hampshire for a year. hampshire casting a protest vote against the president. he may not mean that the president would lose the could be abut it sign of weakness going forward. you know, also, there is the of thelity that because mueller investigation or some other factor that the president in 2020 or have to resign or not pre--ing that but i am saying there is a wide range of possibilities and also the possibility that the president will get reelected. you know, just a lot of uncertainty now. but the president still refans pretty good approval ratings with the republicans specifically. 80% plus. that is not the kind of, that is still strong. and you would not expect him to lose renomination that point but he may save some opposition and maybe more than to

we have seen pat buchanan in 1692 ran to the right of george h.w. bush, and got 35%, 40% of the vote in new hampshire. going back a little bit further, lyndon johnson only got, only won by sort of unprimessive tally over gene mccarthy in 1968 and johnson decided not to run. if he did have someone like john kasich or jeff flake, and that person decamped to new hampshire for your, i can see new hampshire casting a protest vote against the president. it may not mean the president would lose the nomination, but it could be a sign of weakness going forward. you know, also, there is the possibility that because of the mueller investigation or some other factor that the president isn't even running in 20 or has to resign or something -- i am not predicting that, but i am saying there is a wide range of possibilities. there is also a possibility that the president will get reelected. you know, just a lot of uncertainty now. but the president still refans -- still retains pretty good approval ratings with the republicans specifically. 80% plus. that is not t

. >> and president trump aproveringly quoted from a column by pat buchanan.men in the country. it is basically a language and trump tweeted if from the article. president trump in the past called buchanan a hitler lover. here he is. >> i'm sure he would dwetweet o nicole lum if i agreed to agree with him. >> you never know. >> that's prity sly. >> i can see to that. >> i think it is also, you know, a president that would was run over by a car in charlottesville and he called those people very fine people. no is the kind of president we are talking about. >> and another target of the president's this weekend. he went afterelizabeth warren saying if she did this commercial from big horn or wounded knee ind stead of her kitchen it would have been a smash. native american community outraged. wounded knee is the site of a a horrible massacre. there he is again. >> right. what else do you say other than tone deaf, right? >> you're talking about 150 to 400 indians who were massacred by american forces and this president uses it as a jab. >> thanks for being here. ap

you had the president tweeting this weekend pat buchanan talking about the border and how immigrantswhite america. this is not steven king in isolation here. >> my first job in politics was in 1990 working for jesse helms. those politics should be dead. we see vestiges of him here and there in the republican party that need to be stamped out. the problem is, one, the president gives it credibility but also as a steve king pops up or if we look at past senate races like richard murdoch, it cast all republicans trying to do the right thing in a bad light. when we pass criminal justice reform signed into law last month, republicans don't get the credit they deserve on it and democrats worked on it as well because parts of our party always hold us back. these are not just appalling comments but appalling attitudes. the republican party cannot move forward. we talk about white suburban mothers. they don't like this either. we're sending a message to the broader public to not just minorities that if we don't stamp it out, it's acceptable. >> doug, thank you for taking the hard questions an

. >> i'm pat buchanan, the conservative on "crossfire." >> the american people appreciated the new televisiontainly came to cnn in droves. >> mr. gorbachev and i both agree on the desirability of freer and more extensive personal contact between the peoples of the soviet union and the united states. >> we began to realize that the best way to get a message to a foreign leader was to have the president go in the rose garden and make a statement because everybody was watching cnn. >> cnn was a breakthrough. it changed the whole world. >> it changed quickly. the network news business. that business that we weren't the only ones. and it was hard. you know, it's hard to be on the top little perch and have to come down off it. >> on "special segment" tonight, the network news. the first in a two-part series on the profound changes taking place in television news. changes being brought about by business, competition and technology. >> there were a variety of reasons why people who worked at the broadcast networks were freaked out in 1980s. one of them was cnn and the rise of cable. another was being

modern history, reagan to ford in '76 and ted kennedy to carter in '80 didn't help both men lost pat buchanan running against george w. bush in '92 weakened him as well. it seems to me he's got to win something, and simply moving the goal posts and saying, all right, on february 15th, by god, we're going to figure this out, this is part of a pattern, right. does he have that reality tv instinct of saying in two weeks, tune in, x and y but i think we're seeing yet again how the reality tv vernacular vernacular is not kmemz rit with the presidency >> mulvaney was on the sunday shows saying the president is willing to shut it down again. >> they're aware of the fact this is not a good moment for them, the president's base is upset and the president's poll numbers and his standings with independent voters and other people who voted for him 2016, his standing is down with them they will say this isn't a retreat. they will attempt to reframe this so say he's stepping back to have better leverage to negotiate getting money for the border wall. we saw five weeks of a stalemate and it did not produce

bush lost after facing pat buchanan and also ross perot.the details of those are specific to those stories. but trump faces neither until howard schultz -- he does not face a primary xhal thinker unless schultz or somebody else jumps in, he won't face a third party person. so just a note. and i do think it is interesting to point out right now michael bloomberg is running as a democrat. you have sherrod brown, ohio progress is sif. uhe list runnipopulist running democrat, you have a whole bunch of liberal, people like bernie sanders who may very well run. all these people are thinking of getting in. that is a very big tent party and no matter who they pick, somebody will be disenfranchised at the end of the primary process. >> howard schultz, very little name recognition, very little political operation. we are 335 days away from the election and yet at arizona state yesterday, a woman in the audience said to him two words, ralph nader. could howard schultz in your estimation have that type of impact in florida? >> the one thing that we hav

ago without a broader more light and interest it will easily deteriorate into the nationalism of pat buchanan and america first to appeal to those self-interest but what they are trying to get out - - get at and other writers like the founders of the weekly standard and to get this more optimistic idea and then to ingrain that sense i know you are optimistic by nature so give your perspective given that i'm irish that abiding sense of tragedy that sustains them to the periods of joy but when it comes to the united states there is evidence on our side that america is on its last legs or things are bad but we have come back better than ever more than once and we could do it again. but that is my bravado talking. now on the psychologist couch i would say then how is the quality rooted in our capacity because the biggest possible stumbling block to my argument comes down whether our country of what america is. that is much more rooted in the tribal but they do have a sense of purpose about the dealing with the great problems of the world to galvanize cooperation this is a question for american so

also, by the way, pat buchanan.re was the whole issue with the butterfly vote that seemed in confusion to vote for him. in that very narrow circumstance, you can clearly see where third party had the effect. but when it comes to the question here of schultz and what effect he would have, you heard it there. the democrats say he splits the anti-trump vote. trump has a majority disapproval rating right now. the democrats saying those folks will be content to vote against trump, don't give them more than one option. give the folks one option, they'll all vote against trump and trump will be out of office. it's a theory that schultz would complicate that. the history of these third-party candidaies is they don't always land the way they say they will. and does his candidacy just offer a home for the reluctant trump voters? remember these traditionally voting republican, didn't like trump, but in the end they sided with him because they couldn't do it, they couldn't go and vote for hillary clinton. didn't really think th

their core identity comes from being white was not the case. 25 years ago, 30 years ago when pat buchanan's protest candidacy arose in 1992 against george w. bush. and i started hearing in certain precincts of the right, i worked at the washington times at that time and there were many people on staff who would end up working for buchanan and populating early trump stop and they started talking about being european americans. this was startlingly while in an erotic at the time, this is ludicrous. it's one thing to say you're an american jew as we both are. just make up two percent of the population so it's a definingcharacteristic of my life . not quite enough to me to say i'm just an american because this is a very big thing but it's also, i do it because that's the idea. but they, then europeans were absolutely. they were attempting to don the mental of an oppressed minority while being a majority. that was a forerunner to what's happening now where white americans still constitute. >> 67 percent of the electorate. >> but the idea is somehow that they, the only way you get ending in a soc

. >> pat buchanan would be an example from relatively recent history. michael?> some of the holes in the trump administration right now. and let me paint a quick picture. the only cabinet meeting so far of 2019, president trump is seated next to an acting secretary of defense and acting secretary of interior. across from him is the acting attorney general, to the right is the acting head of the white house budget office. he's acting because the former white house budget chief is now acting chief of staff for the white house. my reporting shows that trump is in no rush to make appointments or nominations to most of these spots. why? because there's a thought in the oval office that these acting chiefs are more beholden to the president now than they'll ever be. it's important in this moment if you are trying to squeeze $5.6 billion out of the pentagon, out of a jim mattis-less pentagon for a border wall between mexico and the u.s. >> also sounds a tad undemocratic. nia? >> i talked to a handful of democrats in south carolina. primarily black democrats. the subjec

pat did a radio show years ago, buchanan and friends, it was three hours, but it was like "crossfire" with each hour being a different subject. there would be pat as the conservative, then he would have a liberal cohost which would change, then there would be a liberal guest and a conservative guest on the given issue of that hour. i was one of the rotating cohosts with pat. so we would fence a little bit and i would drill the conservative and he would drill the liberal and i have always said this, i thought pat was easy, fun to work with. he was joyful in his political, you know, boxing skills. he really liked a good fight and he liked a strong opponent. he didn't want to make it easier for himself. i always, i agreed with him on positions, no, i didn't agree with him on positions. issues had been raised about whether he was an anti-semite or engaged in anti-semitism. personally, i didn't sense there was any animus towards anybody because of their religion, creed, color, background, whatever, but i actually wrote one or two pieces which i tried to understand the accusations of anti-s

. >> there is going to be a pat buchanan to this president.ome from that wing of the party, but he isoing to have a primary because what happened in 2018 is a section of the republicans that used to be rock rib republicans and left that voted for democrats. there will be an opening there. you have four things, the health of the economy, what the mueller report says, what our process is and who at the end of the day in that process emerges what they do in build a coalition. both clinton and obama built built coalitions that lasted to stand. >> those are four things to watch. we're out of time. that was a great discussion. >>> now we're going to switch gears and honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifi sacrifice. in the month of december, two service members died supporting our operations in afghanistan. that is all for us today. thank you for sharing parts of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma."

of america's interest, conservatism will to easily degenerate into the pinched nationalism of pat buchanan's america first. [ laughter ] where the appeal to narrow self interest mask the deeper form of self loathing. so, but what they are trying to get out, almost a quarter of a century ago on the right and other writers like david brooks and the founders of the weekly standard, which used to work were trying to get at with this idea of more optimistic ideas of american exceptionalism and greatness and that we can achieve great things. and to try to ingrained the sense of optimism. so jake, i guess reflect a little bit on whether, i know you are optimistic by nature but whether it's going too much against the grain of our moment, and that if you could give your perspective on where and how you think this argument would rest within conservatism today. >> is funny. i think, my spouse, my family would question whether i'm actually optimistic by nature, given that i'm irish. william butler yeats said of irish people that they have an abiding sense of tragedy that sustains them through temporary

understanding of america's interest conservatism will too easily deagain rate into the nationalism of pat buchanan's america first, masks a deeper self-loathing. what they are trying to get at almost a quarter century ago on the right and other writers like david brooks and founders of the weekly standard which you used to work were trying to get at this idea of american exceptionalism and greatness and we can achieve big things. jake, i guess reflect a little bit on whether -- i know you're optimistic by nature, whether it's going too much against the grain of our moment and, matt, if you could give your perspective on how you think his arguments would rest within c conservatism today. >> it's funny, i think my spouse and family would question whether i'm optimistic by nature, given that i'm irish. william yates said irish people, they have an abiding sense of tragedy that sustains them through temporary periods of joy, which usually reflects my temperament, but when us comes to the united states it's different both because there's evidence on our side this is not the first time people have said, y

it was faulty design of the ballot in that delivered some 10,000 votes to pat buchanan that caused upsetat election. neil: i glad you mention the example. it was hardly a factor nationally in florida, in a very close race many argue he proved the difference and made it impossible for al gore to make it to the white house. there are a lot of these kind of examples. you say, the chips fall where they may, often do, it is up to major candidates to sell their campaigns, right? >> absolutely. and again, competition from ralph nader wasn't the cause of the problem for al gore. it was the ballot design in one county that cost him 10,000 possible votes down there, that upset the florida election. so, i'm all for competition. i think we should have more candidates. if people don't like more candidates they should look at ranked choice voting which allows you to rank choice of your top three candidates and, you get to redistribute votes if your candidate loses but nobody got a majority. there is ways around the impediments that people claim exist to independent candidates but a competition of idea

do you know pat buchanan at all? would you consider him a friend of yours? >> guest: i woulyours? >> guest: i would say i'm friendly with them. bt did a radio show years ago it was three hours but it was like crossfire, each hour being a different subject. path would be the conservative than there would be a liberal cohost of of change and be a conservative guest on the issue of the hour. i was one of the rotating cohosts. i would drill the conservative and he's a liberal. liberal. i've always said this, i thought that path was easy and fun to work with. he was joyful and his political boxing skills. skills. he'd really like the goodd figh. they liked a strong opponent. he didn't want to make it easier for himself. i do agree with him on positions, no i didn't agree with him on some positions. there were issues raised about whether he was an anti-semite or engaged in anti-semitism. i did not sense that there was any animus towards him or anybody because of their religion, creed, color, background, whatever. but i wrote one or two pieces that i try to understand the accusations of

we have seen pat buchanan in the right of president george w. bush. a little bit lyndon johnson only got, only won by sort of unprimessive actually over mccarthy in 1968 and decided not run fanned he did have someone like john kasich or jeff and that person, know, basically decapped to new hampshire for a year. hampshire casting a protest vote against the president. he may not mean that the president would lose the could be abut it sign of weakness going forward. you know, also, there is the of thelity that because mueller investigation or some other factor that the president in 2020 or have to resign or not pre--ing that but i am saying there is a wide range of possibilities and also the possibility that the president will get reelected. you know, just a lot of uncertainty now. but the president still refans pretty good approval ratings with the republicans specifically. 80% plus. that is not the kind of, that is still strong. and you would not expect him to lose renomination that point but he may save some opposition and maybe more than token opposi