the guy who won the nomination was pat buchanan. his shtick build a wall. immigration and trade are issues donald trump is 100s percent sincere about them beyond that, i don't know. we are getting ready to find out. the wall street journal doesn't do endorsements but in the peace they wrote basically endorsing trump, they said, he's crazy and dangerous but we think he's probably bad at it. we think he will be ineffective at doing this but we think kamala harris will be extraordinarily effective at doing the things which are maybe less dangerous but you will get it done, donald trump will fail to achieve the things you want. part of the reason donald trump won is that when democrats said he will have mass deportation, he's going to do this, they said, when he was president he said he was going to do all kinds of stuff. i don't know that voters take trump neither literally nor serious. he has become a hood ornament for the republican party. in the united states we have a gas pedal party and a brake party and the brake party says too much, i don't like it, pul

cooks are thinking about putting the coalition together to win these campaigns on that, pat buchanan so much of what he was saying. you need to have these people to win the election or how were you thinking about that a guess at that time? >> i'm not going to say i was not uncomfortable with it. i'm also not going to say it was plain to me. what i would say is this i want to be very methodical and how i pick my words here. the america first stuff was very strongly, not entirely but strongly interviewed with a sense of nativism. there's clearly some blood and soil component toe it. there's a lot of nasty ugly anti- mexican stuff0s specificay the 1990s when i was a political director making its way through convention halls of theon time. but also very much subscribed to the idea that a lot of what i was hearing on the left was equally racially charged. what i could never reconcile was why some of it was okay on the left if it's not on the right is not equally as bad and what does that mean? i think there might course of my journey and politics when it came to understandd was we were pr

administration changed, the party changed and the country changed and you saw that stuff that was pat buchanan back in the dark corners of conventions become the dominant isolationist co protectionist nativist and that's not conservatism as i know it so i reject theidea that there's a populist conservatism. they are two diametrically opposed ideologies, you can't do it . >> so this became a driving force for you and to start the lincoln project which you worked on in 2020 talk about this idea of the abandoned line. >> i got a call from one of the eight members who said mike, you've been a very vocal critic . and unwavering and you're kind of fearless because they knew rightfully that if we spoke out that we would be mercilessly attacked . including threats to our family, to my children, everything from my technology to my business. just massive impacts because the thing about trumpism and i'll call it that was the main inviolable characteristic of republicanism was raising taxes, you could do that . now today you must demonstrate fealty to the leader. whatever'donald trump says is orthodoxy an

coalition to win these campaigns, i mean that kind of nativist undercurrent was always i mean, pat buchanan, so much of what he was saying. yeah, from what i saw. was that something you were thinking of? okay, we need to tolerate we need to have these people in the tent to win the election or how were you thinking about that, i guess at that time i'm not going to say i wasn't uncomfortable with it, but i'm also not going to say it was very to me. because what i will say is this i want to be very methodical in how i pick my words here. the america first stuff was was very strongly, not entirely very strongly imbued with a sense of nativism that was clearly a blood and soil component to you could see it at conventions and there was a lot of really nasty, ugly anti-mexican stuff specifically in the 1990s when i was a political director that, was making its way through convention halls at the time. but i also i also very much subscribe to the idea that a lot of what i was hearing on the left was equally racially charged and what i could never reconcile why. some of it was okay on the left. if i

. >> governor you were among the first, you and i and pat buchanan was a real populist, there were ais your message to the folks out there watching tonight who see the landscape of beyond nastiness coming from the left william so many real problems in this country. >> it's a reminder that the elitist and the left and the academicians of this country hate working-class people. maybe that's too strong i don't if they hate us but they held us in contempt. laura: they hate us, lisa's right. you are too nice. kamala harris is only able to get any traction by changing every position that she has tried to go after the people that the democrats used to win reaches changing her position more than share changes costumes during the concert she does not have a position other than we want to be in power so we can crush the working-class people of america. i hope people will see through it and show up and vote and they realize donald trump is a champion of the working class. the republican party thank god is no longer the old republican party were even people like me did not fit in. it's now the p

i tell the story about pat buchanan. now he is a pretty old guy. i hope he is around.n all the shows. he came in second in the new hampshire higher primary. we won 50 states and then we won the presidency. we did even better the second time that we did the first time. we had more votes than any sitting president and the history of our country. i said, you know what, we did so well, let me see how they are doing. they were doing horribly. i said to the family, i said to everybody, i said, i think we have to do it again. if i would have done badly in 2020, i would not do it. we all know how well we did. i said we have to do it again only because i look at the incompetence of afghanistan. all of these things that were happening. you take a look at it. we were disrespected all over the world. other countries laugh at us right now. now they are laughing harder than they have ever laughed before. i said let's do it. let's give it a shot. now those people are real friends of ours again. we had a party that was very well united. most importantly, showing up in voting tomorrow.

. >> laura: governor, you were among the first, you, i, pat buchanan, bill populace rick santorum, theree a few of i them. what is your message to the folket ths watching tonight to e the landscape of just be ones s nastiness coming from the left and we have so many real problems in the country?remi >> it is just a reminder that elitist in the left and theount nations have this country hate working-class people. a bit that is too strong. i don't know if they hate us but they hold usif in contempt. >> laura: no, they hate us,to lee says right. you are also some nice. >> kamala harris is only able to get by changing every position she has trying to go after the people that the democrats he is two win. she's changing her position more than cher changes costumes during a concert. ositwe need to continue to not h working people of america.ough i hope people will see it and show up and vote and realize donald trump is the champion of the working class.cl thase republican party, thank gt heis no longer the old republican party where even people like me didn't really fit end. it is now the party

the guy who won the nomination was pat buchanan. his shtick build a wall. immigration and trade are issues donald trump is 100s percent sincere about them beyond that, i don't know. we are getting ready to find out. the wall street journal doesn't do endorsements but in the peace they wrote basically endorsing trump, they said, he's crazy and dangerous but we think he's probably bad at it. we think he will be ineffective at doing this but we think kamala harris will be extraordinarily effective at doing the things which are maybe less dangerous but you will get it done, donald trump will fail to achieve the things you want. part of the reason donald trump won is that when democrats said he will have mass deportation, he's going to do this, they said, when he was president he said he was going to do all kinds of stuff. i don't know that voters take trump neither literally nor serious. he has become a hood ornament for the republican party. in the united states we have a gas pedal party and a brake party and the brake party says too much, i don't like it, pul

i tell the story about pat buchanan. a great old-timer, a good guy. he came in second in the new hampshire primary. it was such a big event that he had a 50 year career, great career as a pundit, he was on television. because he came in second in one primary and new hampshire. we won 50 primaries and then went on to win the election. and we did even better the second time. but we will do much better the third time. because the first and the second time were nothing like -- this is supposed to be a quick stop he me pay my respects to this nice part of north carolina. you have 20,000 people. this is the greatest political movement. if we win on tuesday night, and i hope they call it on tuesday night. you spend all of that money on machines. for 8% of the cost, you can have paper ballots and real security. one-day voting, voter id, identification. it would be ok, we like to have identification that you are a citizens of the united states of america. but voter id -- how about gavin newsom? they passed a bill in california where you are not allowed to even

the guy who won that year was pat buchanan. his shtick was build a wall. immigration and trade i think our core beliefs of donald trump that he is 100% sincere about. beyond that, i don't know. >> we are getting ready to find out. the wall street journal does not do endorsements but in the peace the wall street journal wrote basically endorsing trump, they said he is crazy and dangerous, but we think he is bad at it. we think he will be ineffective at doing this but we think that kamala harris will be extraordinarily effective at doing the things she wants to do, which are maybe less dangerous she will get it done. donald trump will fail to achieve the things he wants. part of the reason donald trump won is that when democrats said he is going to have a mass deportation force, he's going to do this and that, people said when he was president he said he was going to do all kinds of stuff. i don't know that voters take trump neither literally nor seriously. i think he has become a hood ornament for a republican party. in the u.s. we have a gas pedal party an

that put a lot of wind, going back to 1996 and pat buchanan, he focused on that group.f they're actually there. in their homes, i don't think they're reacting the same way. i think there are a lot of people who look at his behavior, who look at his rhetoric, his policies, and it doesn't match their values. and so i think there may be a drift among christian nationals who look at their leadership and don't endorse what's going on and the way they backed him. the other thing is the immigration rhetoric. there might be a springfield effect in iowa and other places. iowa has so many meat packing plants. john deere is there. you have got a number of people who listen to what he says and they say, wait a minute, i see these people working hard. they're members of my community. this doesn't match the rhetoric. he's not talking about people eating dogs and cats, but when he tries to demonize immigrants, it's harder to do. it's hard to hate someone up close. when people see that, so that may be affecting what we see in the iowa poll, and that could play out in other places. and