meeting several weeks later, the president got the same message from his white house counsel, pat cipollone, and another white house lawyer, eric herschmann. >> eric and pat told the group, president included that none of those allegations had been substantiated to the point where they could be the basis for any litigation challenge to the election. >> it is statistically impossible that the person, me, that led the charge lost. >> reporter: but donald trump continued to refuse to publicly accept defeat. >> the evidence of the fraud is monumental, and more is coming out. >> reporter: audacious claims of widespread fraud became a daily occurrence. >> numerous times we found glitches, and every single time the glitch went 100% to biden and no percent to trump. >> the only thing left is to vote. that could have been mickey mouse. that could have been a dead person. >> reporter: standing near giuliani is an attorney named sydney powell, who became the face of one of the most notorious and, frankly, most deranged lies. that dominion voting machines were flipping votes for trump to biden. >> the

pat cipollone, the president's own lawyer, said they should be transferred. but in the chaotic final days of the transition, president trump didn't do it. the national archives found out about this five mos later and asked for them. there's no evidence that vice president biden had a collection of two boxes of classified material that he held on to despite being told by lawyers that he shouldn't. why he had these materials, i have no idea. what kinds of materials they are, i also don't know. but in the case of president trump, it looked like the president himself had been involved, whereas in the case of former vice president biden, it's not clear that he even knew that these materials were interfiled. we will learn more as the various special prosecutors do their work. >> okay. among the many reasons i always love talking to you. tim neftali, thank you so much. >> thanks, fredricka. >>> much more on this new development straight ahead. so adding “and” student might feel daunting. national university isis here o support all your “ands.” national university. s

yeah, well, the whole thing is an pat cipollone would say. i never said that. my daughter said that. but nancy didn't deny it. >> so it's way she's kind of politicized things for 40 years. >> have i ever met you in person? never. isn't that weird? i mean, it's so good to see you. everyone here in a studio is just so wonderful. but it's just i'm such a huge fan of your work. the late shift. we all we work the late shift. i don't work quite, but you're out here, so it's easier for you. yeah, nancy, it's great. just roll tide. great to see you. great to see you as well. thanks. all right. now you can, of course, catch trace in just about 90 minutes from now on . fox news at night. so you better tune in. i'm going to deal with me. so we move now from phony exorcisms to flimsy vax recommendations. the fda has officially asked its panel of advisers to approve an annual covid shot for healthy adults similar to the influenza campaigns meant at combating the flu. now, forget potential side effects, adverse reactions. a new study that reveals that any protection gained f

whereas pat cipollone, he was coming and bill bar, when they came, they came and were prepared to tellble documents, like 8,000 pains of documents including text messages that were really important. but then in the interim between when we received the text messages and documents and his scheduled interview, he changed his mind or he -- maybe hard for me to tell if he changed his mind or -- >> change the his plans. >> and the problem was he already really helped the committee by providing this really valuable information. i don't know what was going on. his book came out around the same time. the former president publicly criticized him. did he get cold feet? did he get some kind of pressure? i don't know. but the bottom line is he did not come in despite the fact that we had a date agreed for a deposition and interview and our hope was he was going to provide relevant information. >> what would the two questions be? >> did the president know he had lost the election? did he say something to you that he lost? i would want to know more about what happened on january 6th. again, state of

by all accounts, hafei was the committee's not-so-secret weapon from bill barr to pat cipollone to ivankahe questions and the depositions that made for iconic must-see tv during the january 6th pluck hearings. tim hafei is on a very short list of people who know the full scope of the mountain of evidence that the house select committee has now handed over to doj. he knows exactly what merrick garland and the justice department are reckoning with right now as they try to decide to do what hafei says is the only logical conclusion, to charge a disgraced twice-impeached ex-president. so when you get an hour of tim hafei's time, you listen closely to every single word, and if you missed our one-hour interview with tim, you can do just that. you can watch the deadline white house tim heaphy interview now on peacock. quick break for us. we'll be right back. on peacock quick break for us we'll be right back. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan, i know m

there doing absolutely nothing while don jr., while ivanka, his children, every staff member, pat cipollone, every staff member in the white house wanted the mob gone, donald trump wouldn't let the mob gone. we've seen one person after another, one rioter after another sent to jail, facing justice. >> years. >> two years later, i guess the big question is the person responsible for that, who the chief was just talking about, donald trump, do you think he's ultimately going to face justice for sending all of these people to the capitol to riot against leaders who run the united states of america? >> well, the only person who knows that is working in the justice department or was appointed by merrick garland to make that determination. i will say, joe, reading a lot of the january 6th report, seeing the coverage, looking at those transcripts, it is just hard to imagine that he is not held accountable to some degree, and i think many americans share my feeling and your feeling in that regard and i think the question is what's next, what is hard for everybody right now who feels that way is tha