congress then our friend, pat leahy.he is determined and indeed historic and heroic work to advance human rights is frankly too extensive for me to figure in detail and give him a chance to talk also. but i will talk a little bit about two or three of his large publicly aware competition and fear before he do that, i want to mention that i had an opportunity on the personal level to see his work up close. as senator leahy notes come in a surge of the senate has to keep an eye on the guys. so i've observed him up close and i can tell u.s. commissioner of of the ins, if you choose to ignore pat leahy on an immigration issue, you do it at your own peril. i can tell you senator leahy does a lot of things that are below the radar screen that make a big difference in the lives of a lot of people who would otherwise fall through the cracks. he is not a show horse. he is a workhorse. pat leahy has been a longtime leader in the international campaign against land mines. in fact, in 1992, he offered the first bill of any governmen

pat leahy is not the only one up there. >> richard, i am curious.akingreer is based on america safer. in your personal opinion, and -- edwardowden do a snowden do a service to america? >> no, he did not. he is entitled to these views. i support his right to express his views. he took an oath. he went in as a contractor to one of our national security agencies and stole highly secretive information. with, in hist mind, the greater good. >> he lied directly about what he was going to do with that information and betrayed a trust that was laced in him wrongly. this was a criminal act. we are learning things that were not widely known before. as an expert, i learned things i did not know before. it is having an impact. you cannot excuse the criminal act because of triggering some larger conversations. >> thank you for joining us. washingtonur chief correspondent, peter cook, who has been on this case from the beginning. it -- ofnder of square ownre tells us about his business as a glassblower. he is a partner with jack dorsey . warren buffett may be fro

i have observed him up close and i can tell you as commissioner if you choose to ignore pat leahy on an immigration issue, you do it at your own peril. i can tell you senator leahy does a lot of things that are below the radar screen that make a big difference in the lives of a lot of people who would otherwise fall through the crack's. he is not a show horse. he is a workhorse. been a longtime leader in the international campaign against land mines. in 1992, he authored the first bill of any government anywhere to ban the export of these very horrible weapons. in fact, he spearheaded the effort in congress to aid victims of land mines by creating a special fund known as the leahy war victims fund, and that fund has now on an annual basis provides about $12 million of aid to the victims of these horrible bombs. in 1990 seven, senator leahy sponsored historic legislation appropriately known as the leahy law which prohibits the u.s. department of state and department of defense from providing military aid to foreign military and police forces that engage and violate human rights. and he

will act on, they cheered the panel's finding including chair of the judiciary committee senator pat leahy. >> the message is very clear. the message to the nsa is now coming from every branch of government, from every corner of our nation. nsa, you've gone too far. >> on the other side of the aisle, senator rand paul asserted the panel's findings made it clear director of national intelligence james clapper who famously told congress the nsa did not wittingly collect phone records should resign. >> clapper more injuryious to our intelligence capabilities than anything snowden did because clapper damaged the credibility of the entire intelligence apparatus. i'm not sure what to believe anymore when they come to congress. i think in order to restore confidence in our intelligence community, i think james clapper should resign. >> the report echoed federal judge richard leon's ruling earlier this week which determined nsa surveillance dragnet made only a, quote, modest contribution to the nation's security. as the authors of the task force report concluded, free nations must protect themselv

since received visits from democratic leader nancy pelosi and congressman john lewis and senator pat leahyd singers and cultural figures. today, the activists held a press conference with democratic members of congress, including nancy pelosi and congressman lewis. congressman lewis, of course, is one of the members of congress who was recently arrested, protesting for their cause. >> let us not wait, not be patient, as i said so many times before. we cannot wait. we cannot be patient. we need comprehensive immigration reform now. it is the right thing to do. please, mr. speaker. bring the deal to the floor. >> separately today, a different group of immigration reform activists went not just up to the step of capitol hill, but into capitol hill offices, taking a different approach, but, again, asking for the same thing. asking for house republicans to please just let there be a vote. this rather remarkable -- look at this. this rather remarkable footage was apparently shot through the mail slot in eric cantor's office door in the u.s. capitol building. through the mail slot there, you can

>> do you think, lynn, that at least in terms of timing the momentum seems to be with people on pat leahy's side of the argument and you have the panel recommending changes and you had the federal judge this week and calling the changes unconstitutional and the meeting at the whois with tech executives and that meeting went twice as long as it was supposed to. so does that change the equation? >> slightly. i think a lot of the pressure from congress for the moment is diverted to some other matters under the year and one of the reasons that i say this is that congress is out and out in a few weeks and the immediacy of action isn't there and the only thing that could trigger something putting this into the top priority list is another revelation, and that brings up edward snowden and the guy that started this whole thing. right now is he looking more like a whistle-blower than a villain? >> i think it certainly depends on people's perspectives. there are people when see both sides and it provoked an incredibly important debate. >> let's switch gears and talk about homecare. as you mentioned t

paul said at a hearing speaking to this issue, and he is back, a bipartisan proposal, with democrat pat leahyy minimums. take a listen. >> if i told you that one out of three african-american males is forbidden by law from voting, you might think i was talking about jim crow, 50 years ago. yet today, a third of african-american males are still prevented from voting, because of the war on drugs. >> faith? >> we'll call the war on drugs, the war on black and brown people. no group has been impacted more against these policies than the african-american community. the racial disparities are completely staggering. but just stepping outside of the statistics, as a prosecutor here in manhattan, the first time i walked in drug court, i was simply stunned. day after day, i was assigned to drug court and 95% of the room would be filled with african-american and hispanic defendants. and the aclu has put out the statistics. white people actually use drugs more, but the statistics are that black people and african-americans are arrested and incarcerated ten times at a higher rate than white americans. so

diane feinstein could not be in a more different place than pat leahy, or senator wyden. that tells you that the intelligence committees, if they're doing their oversight on not explaining well enough either to their colleagues or the american people how they're keeping the intelligence community and check. same question goes up about the judicial branch. i think you will see some changes. i would not be surprised if you see changes in the foreign surveillance court. one of the recommendations the advisory committee had was that the appointment of the judges to that court would not simply be something that the justices do, but that other justices participate in as well so it does not become ideologically aligned with whoever happens to be chief justice. host: this is from one of our viewers on our twitter page. bin laden's stated goal was to bankrupt the usa through fear and overzealous nationalism. looks like he succeeded. guest: if you take that three point $3 trillion number, you have to say that certainly on the economic side of it, he did not bankrupt united states,

the pressure from congress, you have a bipartisan coalition, rand paul on the right and folks like pat leahy and ron wyden on the left. that is posing change to the law. the president will have to buckle and make changes in the coming days. jon: do you think he will have to accept the recommendation of this panel? if you're getting criticized by some more liberal senators like ron wyden and patrick leahy as well as conservatives and libertarians like ron paul you've got a real problem? >> correct. and look, the panel made 46 recommendations. i'm not suggesting that the president will adopt them all. white house already signaled they will not adopt one of them perhaps even more but on the big major issue of the metadata program of the in. sa, mass surveillance program of innocent americans, their phone calls, emails, et cetera, he will have to work with congress to come up with real new guidelines to restrict with the nsa is doing there. jon: the real headline as far as you see it the driver of the negative numbers of the polls in terms of trustworthiness that is all about obamacare you say?

. >> senator pat lick leahy. >> it's really amazing. we spent so much time on red and blue divide. are seeing that break down is the republican motivation burly one of cost? all of this incarceration is a drag, whether texas or south carolina, we've locked all those people up. >> $6.5 billion that the bureau of prisons got last year. it is costing a lot of money but it's a bright spot of bipartisanship we are seeing in congress right now. it creates optimism for next year. >> collectively, we got it wrong four years ago? >> i don't know, i think to your point, anybody that lived through the 1988 presidential campaign could never know this moment. i don't know if we run out of prison beds. computing the eight sentences president obama did or jerry brown's 120 or whatever it is and said they served tear time. we aren't seeing federal law changing i think quite yet. >> that's the question. we will get into more in the next segment. we have a couple things on the agenda for 2014. at least the seeds. let talk about whether that will actually happen in 2014. get ready for this. cleans be

in committee, senator durbin is one of the key players there, when we did it, pat leahy, chairman of the committee, made sure that those recommendations were actually included in the immigration reform law, the recommendations from ale mayorkas. and they're in the immigration reform bill. we voted for it. it's over in the house now. it's sitting there. gathering dust, unfortunately. if senator leahy doesn't introduce as a stand-alone bill those provisions fixing -- allowing the eb-5 program to have the kind of governance that it needs through the -- through the uscis agency, if he doesn't do it, i said, i'll introduce the legislation myself. we'll have a lot of cosponsors. there are four recommendations. one of them needs the -- us to do something in order for it to be -- to occur. the other two are either completed, acknowledged, completed, done. the other one, we just -- there was just a disagreement. it is outside the scope of the law. that's the audit. that's the audit. so my friends, i just want to say -- i just want to say this. this is not a criminal investigation. the things