but some of us believe in doing it with reality, not rhetoric. >> senator pat leahy, thank you so much. just to inform you and all of our viewers, we have breaking news from new york. >>> a verdict has been announced in the trial of mexican drug kingpin he wi"el chapo." joining me now is danny iscevals in new york. >> reporter: yes. we don't know what the verdict will be yet. the big charge is the continuing criminal charge. there's always a possibility of a not guilty. that would not be the end of "el chapo's" legal woes because he faces prosecution in several other districts, even if he somehow hangs a not guilty verdict on prosecutors in this case. >> and chuck rosenberg, this is an important verdict. some people were surprised that the jury took so long, but there were very complex instructions, as i understand it in this case. it would seem "el chapo," who has escaped so many times and has been responsible, according to the allegations, for so many deaths, it would be a no-brainer for a jury, but you never know. people are afraid, also, of any threats. this was not a sequestered j

then pat leahy look around in hallway. and several reports, ran over to see if he had news, he said there no white smoke yet, they have been negotiating for a while, that could be a good sign at this stage. >> gary here, thank you for staying on top of this. you know three days ago, i'm thinking, and it was reported a deal of basely done, two days ago a little bit less so, yesterday, uh-oh, and today it teams nothing there but you say, perhaps we're getting toward the better, imworried friday will be here and all heck breaks loose. >> that is how these negotiations go, they go to last minute, have you some issue, hard to always hone in on the issue, whether ita anapprop yeags billanappropriation bill m bill. it does not catch a lot of people by surprise, here is the we, it is going to come down to getting something both sides can vote for, that big matrix of votes in middle of democrats and republicans, here is the other thing. when you talk with senate republicans they do not want another government shut down, they might

pat leahy, i have no idea. jack reed, i know what it is about but i have not listened. before the yearbook photo this was one of the biggest stories of the week. it's hard to believe all these guys didn't hear about it. i'm encouraged that democrats aren't rubbishing to bear hug northam's views on third trimester abortions. but do you think it's important for democrats to outright denounce them? >> first of all, let's just straighten a couple of things out. you said this abobill would cre third trimester abortions. this bill wouldn't have changed the law of virginia in terms of the length of time that an abortion -- >> three doctors, get permission. >> no, no. it did change those things, and these are serious discussions and serious debates, and i don't minimize them. i also saw northam's comments, and i understand how they can be interpreted. i also understand that they can be interpreted -- you know, to say he was advocating infanticide i think is a little bit unfair, and i also think that it is unbecoming this kind of rush. i know the president jumped in and said thi

foreign operations subcommittee, the appropriations committee, and been the top republican along with pat leahy, the top democrat, for decades now. and he has tried to use that perch to try to influence global events, and it has been one of those few areas of policy that he truly does care about. you'll see when we'll talk about campaign finance reform and his fights against that, judges, and some of these global freedom issues. mr. kapur: we saw that just recently when he brought up a resolution that very clearly rebuked the trump white house as it was considering a speedy troop withdrawal. the president had more democratic supporters than republicans on that resolution as mcconnell was very forceful about not quickly withdrawing troops. host: is it common for a majority leader or a minority leader of the senate to serve on committees as well? mr. kane: as we tape today, he actually appeared at the senate rules committee because they were debating internal senate rules of real mcconnell love that he has, and it was about judicial confirmations and speeding up judicial and executive branch conf

but, and then anthony, i know currently, pat leahy's senior managing director of fti consulting. he was another one that some considered a career position at the doj. let's see, he had jordan kelly there. she's currently director of cybersecurity policy. there were reports that she met routinely with the moment investigators. -- mueller investigators. between these people who just thought yates was wonderful. i would hope that wisdom and you as acting director, wisdom in the incoming attorney general will be to look at the backgrounds, look at the people who are political hacks, and figure out they are giving me advice on this? this is not for my well-being. this is to hurt the president of the united states. i do know you may just have another week, but i would encourage you that as people make a big deal about career, look beyond his career. look where their loyalties are. because even though they may be in a career position, if their loyalties are not to the attorney general and and not te president of the united states and are more political than they are constitutional, disr