he is not unaware that it's a 50/50 senate and something could happen to pat leahy and this could allr the senate, so he knows all this. and i think what he's saying is, and he's been saying this, by the way, for a very long time, please don't make me look like a partisan hack. the more you make me look like a partisan hack, the more i'm going to push back. and i think that i took that exchange to be kind of a version of he knows all this stuff, but please don't make him say it because that will make it harder for him to step down. >> yeah, it's interesting, right, the idea that you're doing this explicitly in a sort of partisan way. i wonder how much with the late justice ginsburg that was at play, irin. in 2013, everyone did the same actuarial math, she was a cancer survivor at that point. i think she was even summoned to the white house and talked with president obama, kind of like, where are we at on this? how do you think -- what are the lessons there of that episode? >> you know, some people thought that justice ginsburg didn't want to retire because she didn't want the court to