. >> pat, do you have a question you go pat malloy. -- do you have a question? pat malloy. have to call on him. i'm scared of him. he is irish. >> pat malloy. i'm a trade lawyer in washington. an article in the new york times recently said we should focus on the trade deficit, that it is a real problem for this country. as you know, we've got about $9 trillion worth of trade deficits in the last 25 years. many people, and including warren buffett, have said that we should set a national goal to balance our trade. i have asked two previous speakers whether we should do so. i did not quite get clear answers. does the afl-cio support a national goal to balance trade, and then to evaluate trade agreements, whether they are helping us do that or not? >> absolutely. i could end there, but i won't. yes, we do support that. look, we have a deficit. there are four ways to fill the gap. one is, government spending. we are about maxed out there and you're not going to do much more government spending because of the political will. investment, we are not going to invest much more. we a