pat nolan who was in a fellowship former president of the prison fellowship when he was there he liked to talk about the fact that today we lock people up because we are mad at them when we should be reserving prison and jail space for people who we are afraid of. there are obviously people who have committed crimes and who are dangerous enough that they need to be kept away from rest of society. they built the prisons and the prosecutors build them up. i have to say one thing in trying to get real prison reform through and we have done most of our work at the state level as i'm sure doug knows, we have had great success working with democrats, republicans conservatives and liberals than with governors who are concerned about two things. one, the way their systems are working or not working in the cost of the systems in many states across the prison system is greater than the cost of a public education system and they both work just about as well but maybe a reallocation of resources might be in order. i have to say that historic constituencies still exist. it's incredible to me that t

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