you can see that in pat oliphant caricatures of richard nixon.s he got more immersed in watergate, the shadows on his and and his allies got -- his eyes got darker. pretty soon, they were barely eyes. they were black holes in his head. brian: years ago, pat oliphant was not particularly friendly with the jimmy carter administration. at the end of the administration, he was tiny and in the corner. michael: the perfect device. the one thing we have over our journalist colleagues is exaggeration. we can create our own world. the dynamic is that we are trying to say something with a personality. brian: when did you go color? michael: when i first went to investors business daily. i have to say it is the best editorial page in the country. i do write some. i co-manage it. it was an expansion of my duties. frankly, we have great writers there. we are not afraid to tell the truth. people are giving praise to donald trump for his bluntness but i have been doing that my entire career as a political cartoonist. we do that in the pages of we are located in

pat oliphant was one. he was a phenomenal political cartoonist. i can appreciate the artwork itself and what it is meant to be, which is a mechanism to influence people regardless of political party you are affiliated with. pat does it better than most anyone i know. jeff was in that category. jeff was a good friend. and sort of a mentor. i loved jeff's work. he added an element of humor that i think was a great tool in expanding the audience of a political cartoon which is something i try to utilize in my cartoons. paul conrad, the dark and foreboding images that he had. they would reach you and touch you. i think that is what good effective political cartooning is. i view it as advertising on television. you have about five seconds to capture the viewer's attention and you have another five seconds to deliver the point or sell the product. the difference is with television, you're selling a product. with cartoons you're selling an idea. i believe i am trying to reach people. i am trying to change people's minds. reinforce the ideas that they hav

didn't work until my friend, pat oliphant, the cartoonist, who decided he liked the idea for a cover. i owe it all to pat. >> host: that's quite the cover. are there -- you're driving the bus, looks like. >> guest: yes. >> host: who is in the picture? >> guest: well, who isn't? i think that pat oliphant is an excellent ability to caricature, every current american politician, i sigh the w, the president, nancy pelosi and john boehner and who -- they're all in there somewhere. >> well, speaking of "omnibus" let's standard with national politics and the fact that john boehner is no longer speaker of the house. >> guest: i know. that's sad. i liked cheerful fellow smoker, liked to play golf. seemed to me to be the ideal of american politicians in many ways. didn't particularly stand for anything and sometimes that's what is needed. yeah, things have been -- but that didn't surprise me so much because he had to have been worn out, constant friction between the house and the senate, and the presidency, but it's this presidential race that is amazing me. i've been covering this stuff since