you know it's bad when pat robertson is criticizing the tea party.ten to what he had to say over the last two days. >> there comes a time that rebels have to grow up and work to make the system successful. and unfortunately, the tea party is not going along. the republicans have got to wave the white flag and say we fought a good fight. now it's over. they cannot shut the government down and then bring about a default. we can't do it. >> i mean, even pat robertson saying it's unreasonable. and let's reiterate the point you made. john boehner and republicans increased the debt limits many times under george bush when you were serving in congress and was a chair in congress. this is nothing that they have not done other and over again. >> they did it over my objection. the iraq war alone, the bush tax cuts. i would love to set my record next to john boehner's or any of that republican leadership. i'll look like a very, very prudent, fiscal conservative. but what we should advertise, when pat robertson tells them this and the wall street journal tells t

yes, pat robertson.isten to this. >> the republicans have got to wave the white flag and say we fought a good fight. now it is over. they cannot shut the government down. and then, bring about a default. we can't do it. i mean it would, it would be devastating, economically, to every human being, and the republicans just can't get tired with that. >> so, ted cruz new bumper sticker, crazier than pat robinson. >> that's a winning message in texas, i think. >> you have to be careful. if pat robinson is your voice of reason and science tauchlt a. who ever put that in his teleprompter. you are right. >> if americans take one thing from this. there wasn't just a government shutdown. there was a democracy shutdown. and the way this thing ends is -- tomorrow, or the next day, whenever we got to this end game as we are apparently getting closer, from, sources in both parties. it will end the way it could have been prevented to begin with. with finally a democratic vote on the house floor. john boehner has been p

what does pat robertson want me to eat? >> clinkers? >> i don't know what that one is. the market. >> i -- let's tell michele bachmann, it's the rapture but not the end of the world. >> great to have you with us tonight. thank you. >>> still ahead, a furloughed worker in ohio has a direct message for john boehner. he joins us live. but first -- >> i continue to believe that citizens united contributed to some of the problems we're having in washington right now. >> i believe i said that on this program a few days ago. pumping up the rich our rapid response tanl tackles a new supreme court case. they heard oral arguments today that could be citizens united on steroids. next, i'm taking your questions, live. "ask ed live" coming up on "the ed show" on msnbc. we're right back. (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading. their quick trade bar lets my account follow me online so i can react in real-time. plus, my local scottrade office is there to help. b

. >> as far as the rollout is concerned, pat robertson said today that the problems with the exchanges systematic and profound and indisputable, as he called upn hhs secretary cathleen sebelius to resign for what hecalls grs incompetence. lou: thank you. the government shutdown and obamacare, the topics today as religious and social conservatives from across the country right in the nations capital to attend the values voters summit. possible 2016 gop presidential contende took the stage on day one of the three-day event. chief political correspondent karl cameron has the report. reporter: social and religious conservatives invited three key leaders in the push to beef on the affordable care act and reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling in exchange for spending cuts all potential rivals for the gop presidential nomination in2016. >> in my view, the house of presentatives are doing what they have been doing, which is standing strong. [cheers] [applause] reporter: senator ted cruz, marco rubio, and rand paul, where the first two embraced the strategy of trying to derail obamac

the gop crusade to delegitimatize the president when newt gingrich appeared on pat robertson's the 700lub. >> the big problem is that president obama refuses to behave like an american president. he refuses to deal with the congress as an equal. >> michael steele is former chair of the rnc and ed rendell. michael steele, i don't know what mood you're in, but if you heard it the way i heard it, there's the guy that will always accuse our president of having a british colonial attitude born in kenya. he challenges the guy's authenticity in subtle ways. why can't he act like an american president? what is this? you can say that nuance if you want. i hear it. i've heard newt. i've heard him in the past delegitimatize his presidency. and you've won the board, you've taken this guy off the historic board. he never was really president. that's what these characters seem to want. >> right. i think this is the fog of this particular war that has put the republicans in the space they're in right now. this argument has never in my estimation been about the legitimacy of the president. he was elec

cleanup of its waste time mystery doing so this isn't a partisan issue it's just it's the bad pat robertson during the monday broadcast of the seven hundred club the televangelist let loose on the evils and one of the evils of the modern world the low carb diet seriously. when your body burns this stuff with no carbohydrates what happens is you build up the clinkers and either get swollen joints you get to go out you get all kinds of problems but sooner or later it by the principles of. right america satan invented the adkins diet to tempt everyone from the path of the little and the very very oddly brenda barton arizona state representative finds herself in broiled controversy this week after she compared president obama to hitler on facebook and you know posted to her personal page on monday barton a republican complained about the effects of the government shutdown on the national park service writing someone is paying the national park service overtime for their efforts to carry out the orders of do furer where are our constitutional sheriffs who can revoke the park service rangers auth

when pat robertson can a long, famously the michigan national committee visiting the political meeting with him are bound was a little like the bar scene in star wars. all of those people socialized into the party and became the leaders of the next generation. it to go back to that question in the last election cycle primary for the voters 30 and under with the candidates in the field 50% of them voted for ron paul and it isn't something you can throw out if you have a growing membership. you have to be able to look at these things and bring them together. new people in politics aren't realistic. as i said before it's not their job. the party leader if they won their party to continue to be successful is bring these people in and give a degree of sophistication to succeed in the political process. it's to keep people out, but in a space system the job is not to keep people out it's to keep people in. >> nixon did fairly well during his later years. he was my mentor, the best man in my wedding and a plan to me on the subject. that doesn't mean i know what he would think about this parti

when path robertson -- pat robertson came along, famously, visiting a committee meeting with him along was a little like the bar scene in star star wars. all those people socialized into the party and became the leaders of the next generation. to go back to the ron paul question, in the last election cycle's primaries for voters 30 and under with all the candidatings in the field, 50% of them -- candidates in the field, 50% of them voted for ron paul. and that's not something you can throw out if you've got a growing membership. you have to be able to look at these things and bring them together. new people in politics often are unrealistic. they don't get it. they don't understand all the inti accuracies of washington. they shouldn't. as i've said before, it's not their job. but the party leaders, if they want to continue to be party leaders or if they want their party to continue to be successful, what they have to do is bring those people in and give them -- let them develop a degree of sophistication so that they can succeed in the political process. it's easy to talk about keeping

. >> senator pat robertson from the state of kansas asking for the resignation of health and human servicess is the former governor of his state. typically you lay off somebody from your state, even if it's the other party, you don't go there. he did and i think that's very significant. but look, nobody in this administration has been held accountable. noter eric holder, not chuck hagel, not hillary clinton for benghazi, not anybody for benghazi, not lois lerner for the irs scandal. can you name me one person ever been held accountable for anything? i can't do it. >> people like to draw the comparisons between private industry. if she were the head of a private company, kathleen sebelius, would she be fired? president obama went to the podium last week and drew illusions to apple, remember? he was at the podium and said, hey, look, ios 7 shipped with a few bugs. apple fixed the bug the next day. >> the bug didn't make it inoperable. i have an ios 7 and the bugs were insufficient compared to the overall function. we have a system there, we paid $634 million and it's dysfunctional. it took fa