pat robertson trashed the law. it seemed to be more via tactics, which is where some of the criticism of this is coming from the right. take a listen to robertson. >> i think alabama has gone too far. they've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion? that's no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law. they want to challenge roe versus wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> eric ericsson just posted on the resurgent, very personally supportive of the law but believes these laws are likely to get struck down in the courts and that actually he thinks that could hurt conservative turnout because it will get them depressed. the only criticism of the law is coming from a tactical perspective. >> it is but he's right in terms of where most of the american public is on this. this is the most extreme bill yet to pass. the other bills, at least, are under the guise of fetal heartbeat

so in that sense, pat robertson is absolutely correct. the serious prospect we face here, lawrence, is watching this effort not just to the erode, not just to chip away at the protections that roe versus wade established for women but a full frontal assault designed to eradicate it the in legal press didn't not warranted by the alabama bill or any other bill. >> i want to take a look at glamour magazine cover, this is a nonpolitical magazine to say the least. they have put up there the will the 25 men who voted for this alabama bill. these are the 25 who in particular voted against an amendment that would have allowed an exception for victims of rape or incest. and stacey, talk about what the reaction has been in alabama where you are in these last 24 hours. >> well, i think bethlehemians are pore o horrified just in the hours after the vote in the senate last night, thousands of alabamians have signed on to veto petition that we've stood up and i think in a state where 51% of the population of alabama are women and where women are dying

plus, conservative televangelist pat robertson speaks out. why he says the ban goes too far. >>> immigration overhaul. president trump unveiling a new immigration plan today changing who gets top priority entering the country. >>> found alive. >> yes, we have a successful finding of the child. >> the 22-month-old boy missing for days in the woods is found safe near a 50-foot cliff. how he survived so long with no food or water. >>> plus, the new york city helicopter crash caught on camera. >> holy [ bleep ]. helicopter just crashed. >> the pilot plunging into the river. hear from the man who rescued him. >>> should texting while you walk be a crime? the new proposal being considered. >>> attention, graduates, the highest paying jobs for new college grads this year. >>> and the ride of his life. a man takes a test drive in this priceless ferrari and keeps on driving. >>> good thursday morning, everyone. we begin with a new battle over abortion. >> alabama's governor has now signed the country's most restrictive abortion measure. it makes an ex

another commentor saying pat robertson needs to reread the bible.es to god's word murder is murder. then there is bernie sanders to sit on twitter abortion is a constitutional right. planned parenthood has alabama lawmakers saying bring it. that is what we want to have happen, take it to the supreme court. >> let's talk about kamala harris turning the tables on joe biden. >> many democrats say a joe biden kamala harris matchup would be a dream ticket but now flipping the script, saying it should be the other way around. >> people want to speculate about running mates i encourage that. joe biden would be a good running mate. >> he appears very confident but when twitter user says someone should show her the poll numbers, another present signing and saying either position will make a strong team. lastly, this from a trump supporter saying they are not a winning combination between all of them. you never know because four years ago at this time donald trump was in eighth place and jeff bush was in front. >> still a lot of time left. >> you are game of

alabama abstract new abortion law bringing surprising reaction from pat robertson. >> alabama is going far. if they want to challenge roe versus wade this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court. >> carly shimkus here to share your comments straight ahead. ♪ who says you can't go home ♪ whoooo. did you know the exact same hotel room... ...can have many different prices? that's why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find the lowest price on the hotel you want. your perfect hotel room for the perfect price! most of us don't know how much data we use... ♪ ...but we all know we're paying too much for it. enter xfinity mobile. america's best lte with the most wifi hotspots. combined for the first time. when you're near an xfinity hotspot, you're connected to wifi, saving on data. when you're not, you pay for data one gig at a time. use a little, pay a little. use a lot, just switch to unlimited. get $250 back when you buy a new samsung galaxy. call, visit or click today. shannon: heather: pat robertson making headlines for saying this about alabama's controversial

here's tele-evangelist pat robertson. >> i think alabama has gone too far. there's no exception for rape or incest. they want to challenge roe v. wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> fascinating the law won't go on the book for six months. alabama one of 16 states to introduce or pass restrictive abortion rules. missouri's governor will sign a bill in the state senate that will ban abortions after eight weeks of pregnancy anch. >>> a delay in tariffs as the trade war with china leads to fallouts with farmers. president trump faces a saturday deadline whether to hike tariffs on cars coming into europe to 25%. a move that would have alienated european allies. the president plans to delay that decision by six months in order to negotiate with the eu and japan, according to a person familiar with the situation. delaying those auto tariffs is key, and shows how steensitive e market is. when you break down the trade deficit, half the u.s. goods deficit with the world is ch

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when pat robertson said this is too much, too fast, too far, it conflicts flatly with the law of thes that government cannot put an undue burden on a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy before viability which is essentially 24 weeks or starts then. and so this law is such a bold assault on roe. and no lower court judge could possibly allow it to go into effect without defying decades of supreme court precedent. so whatever -- challenges will begin immediately. and probably what will happen immediately is the court -- the lower court will block this law from taking any kind of effect. and then eventually it might be heard on the merits in lower courts. but because of how strongly it is worded it precludes abortion in just about every circumstance, the supreme court is likely not even to take it up. not take up this one. now down the road, brooke, the supreme court might take up a ban on abortion but not right now. and i think that is why someone like pat robertson fears a showdown over something that cannot go anywhere. i should add, though, there are more moderate measures or -- t

here's what televangelist pat robertson said. >> i think alabama has gone too far. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> the law won't go in the books for six months, the aclu and planned parenthood are planning to file a lawsuit to block it. alabama is one of 16 states to pass restrictive abortion bills. anc >>> a delay in tariffs against the european union as the trade war with china, deciding whether to hike tariffs on cars coming into europe at 25%. that would have alienated allies and devastated global supply chains. the president plans to delay the decision by six months in order to negotiate with the eu and japan. delaying the auto tariffs is key and shows how sensitive the markets are to trade risks but trump trade hawks have been consistent for months. when you break down the u.s. trade deficit by country, half the overall goods deficit is with one country, china. when you break down by category, half the overall

here's pat robertson on the 700 club. >> i think alabama has gone too far.y've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion. my humble view -- [laughter] is that this is not the case we want to bring to supreme court, because i think this one will lose. howard: if you're in the media, it is possible to be pro-life and also not like features of this law. >> even when i talk to elected officials who do identify as pro-life that don't support this actual bill, the reason is because they want to save as many babies as possible, and they worry the liberals are going to use this as a political tool in upcoming elections to potentially block even certain pieces of legislation that don't go as far as this alabama bill. so i do think republicans are in this hard position where personally they're pro-life, but they know some of their constituents -- while may not be as pro-life as they are -- they know that the issue is starting to turn towards a pro-life position. i understand why some conservatives are fearful of going this fa

and this is an extreme measure as pat robertson said. it will help the democrats in 2020 and the best news the republicans would get would be to lower the tone, get this knocked out, declared unconstitutional and run a campaign on the economy, and peace that now exist at our strength in the world, not abortion. shannon: this is what dick blumenthal has to say. alabama, and reached a new constitutional oh. abortion is not a crime but a medical procedure, a constitutional right and a choice for women to make without government interference. we will never stop fighting for women's right to control their own bodies. you saw every contender on the democratic side went after this. it could backfire on republicans next year. >> potentially it could because of the length to which the law goes. i'm probably pro-life, one of my biggest issues and why i am a conservative but there are certain elements of this bill, now the law that would will be thrown out in alabama that i am uncomfortable with in terms of our practical standpoint, in terms of imp

something that's gone too far. >> yeah, even you have some very conservative christian preachers like pat robertson others who said this goes too far. there's a price to be paid for it. there are consequences for everything you do in this life and certainly political consequences for everything you dos in luf. for those who are pushing that kind of agenda, there's a price to be paid for it. that's not all republicans. i like a governor like charlie baker in massachusetts for whom my daughter worked by the way, who i think is doing a great job. just got reelected to a second term and is somebody who is not partisan but is just about how do we serve people the best way ecowith. that's a republican that i like. that's the kind of person that i like. >> but we've not seen, christina, republican leader come out and just forthright say this is wrong and take the stage and become the face of republicans saying i'm a republican but this is wrong and we cannot start eroding women's rights. >> i've called republicans sycophants. they've been millimouthed on issue after issue. there are women who can uphold p

, family been watching pat robertson for 40 years now and if pat robertson says that your pro-life bill, your anti-abortion bill is too conservative, friend, you need to go back and redraft your abortion bill because that is something that in all the time watching with my grand mom and my family for 40 years i've never heard. >> beth ani mandel writes i think both sides of the abortion debate are overplaying their hands. after 20 weeks is barbaric but the bill in alabama goes too far for most americans. >> this is an extraordinarily emotional issue for people on both sides because it's the balance of liberty and life, of course. our republic was founded on the belief that all americans have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. so it has been an emotional issue. but if you just look at the numbers, as i said yesterday, the majority of americans are split down the middle on whether they consider themselves pro-life or pro-choice, but then you go another way and say do you want to repeal roe v. wade, only one in five americans want that repealed. and then you look at that

i think you have pat robertson saying it's gone too far.t's probably not a good indicator as to how that law in particular is going to be perceived. but i do think what's interesting about it is what's going to happen with regard to the senate and that particular senate race and i think republicans may have miscalculated on that and that's an important seat. >> appreciate you being here. check in on your tweets and facebook comments. dan says, why do so many dems keep joining the field so late? you know, dan, i don't know, book deal? tv show eventually? raise the profile. what's the downside. are you going to be embarrassed more so than another of the dozen all right in. i hope you're answering the survey question at smerconish.com this hour. should the s.a.t. test include an adversity score? results in about 25 minutes' time. >>> still to come, about the abortion issue, several states have ratcheted up the decision. pat rocketson, by the way, yale school graduate had this to say. >> they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view, i

wade, but tonight reverend pat robertson says it's gone too far >> it's an extreme law and they want to challenge rocasee we wo the supreme court, b >> reporter: tonight, the governor here says while she signed the abortion bill, she also knows it is unenforceable because of roe v. wademe for th governor signing a bill into law here in montgomery and the u.s. supreme court in washington. >> all right kerry sanders in alabama tonight, thank you >>> now to a scare in the sk over new york city today, a helicopter going down over the hudson river where captain sully landed his plane a years ago the scene caught on camera and amazingly the pilot escaped with minor injuries eporter: a helicopter there.>> spinning out of control, plunging into the hudson missing the landing pad by a mere 150 feet. , but it was already going down at that point >> i saw a big splash. i think the rotor came off. >> reporter: the pilot of the aviation charter was the only person on board. 34-year-old eric morales activated the flotation devices and escaped. he was picked up by a passing boat with only a minor i

the new alabama law actually harkens back to the old days pre-roe and even someone like pat robertsons this law is too much. >> i think alabama has gone too far. they've passed a law that would give a 99-year prison sentence to people who commit abortion. there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> now, it's important to remember what's at stake. in 1972, the year before roe, 39 women died from illegal or self-induced procedures. that's the reality that people are afraid of going back to, back alleys, desperate days potentially as more than a dozen states try to further curtail access and opportunity when it comes to reproductive rights. as much as we may like to think that the courts are not political, elections have consequences. this president has been appointing federal judges at a record pace in the process the right managed to reshape american courts. now, that's why laws that seek to further restri

i want to play what pat robertson had to say. >> i think alabama has gone too far, pa. there's no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe versus wade. but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> i think maybe he speaks for a lot of republicans frankly. so if not this, what? what are you hearing in legal circles? is there a sense for what could be the strongest challenge to row and how close is it? >> well, it's interesting. in some ways the strongest challenge to roe v. wade has already been happening over the past ten years where you've had states pass what is allowed under roe v. wade and the subsequent planned parenthood versus casey. in other words, where they place burdens on the access to abortion. you don't overturn it directly, but you make abortion so inaccessible, but it's upheld by the supreme court and the lower courts. now we have, and i never thought i'd agree with pat robertson, but i do, we have politicians feeling emboldened frankly

wade, but reverend pat robertson says it's gone too far. >> it's an extremeaw l, and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view ithat this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose >> reporter: while the governor here believes the u.s. supreme court should now review that landmarkec dion of roe v. wade from 1973, there are a lotf steps from a governor signing a bill into law and the u.s. supreme court in washingto phillip? >> the battle has begun. kerry, thank you. >>> a helicopter pilot is lucky to be alive after a ntrrifying plunge io the hudson river in new york city. look at the video here coming do the pilos flying over the water whenga it ben to lose altitude amazingly he wasble to escape with minor injuries. nbc's anne thompson was there. >> reporter: it was a sight no tourist expected to see. licopter just crashed.'s a >> reporter: a helicopter suddenly spinning out of control, plunging into the hudson, missing the landing d a mere 150 feet >> the craft went sides on him >> i just saw the bisplash i think the rotor just came

here say they specifically ab worded this ortion bill to challenge roe v wade but tonht, reverend pat robertson says it's gone too far. >> it's an extreme law and they want it challenged roe versus wade but my humble view is at this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> reporter: tonight, the governor here says while she signed the abortion bill, she also knows it is unenforceable because of roe v wade. she says that she believes it's now time for that 1973 decision to be reviewed by the u.s. supreme court, but lester, there are a lot of steps between a governor signing a bill into law here in montgomery and the u.s. supreme court in washington. >> all right. kerry sanders in alabama tonight, thank you. >>> now at the scare in the sky over new today, ay helicopter going down caver the hudson river where ain sully lane a his decade ago. the scene caught on camera and amazingly the pilot escaped with minor injuries. nbc's ann thompson is there. >> reporter: it was a sight no tourist expected to see. >> helicopter just crashed!>> eporter: a he

why the qf dense now-- confidence now when you have f tks frmy laren to pat robertson saying these laws are tooextreme as ty are written today. >> two word, brett kavnaugh. the antiabortion folks think they have a five vote majority on the coulter. now that kavanaugh has replaced justice kennedy to yefer turn roe. the only justice who explicitlyt said i w to overturn roe is cearence thomas but reading what some of the jussaid in the past, they believe they now have the votes to at least have a plausible chance not just to accommodate roe with restrictions but flatley overturn it and this five majority in the past has been fairly willing, if not eagero overturn other long-standing precedents in favor of policy decisions they prefer. s enivasan: and there was a case just about precedence this week or just a couple ofek ago. >> yeah, it has nothing to do with roe, it is whether ain citizeone state can take another citizen into his state to sue him. wh has the prochoice comunity unnerved is the opinion written by justice thomas seemed to be very casual abt overturning precedence. this is a

." >> reporter: conservative televangelist pat robertson called the proposed law "extreme." >> this is the case we want to bring to the supreme court. >> reporter: a.c.l.u. of alabama executive director randall marshall says he's already won a fight against the state on abortion restrictions in 2016. >> we are preparing a legal challenge even as we speak. >> reporter: on what grounds? >> it violates the constitution. it interferes and is an unreasonable restriction on a woman's right to determine what she should do with her own body. >> reporter: in a statement released this evening, the governor said that this legislation stands as a powerful testament to the state's deeply- held belief that every life is precious. well, now that that bill has been signed, the a.c.l.u. says it is prepared to figh federal court. >> dickerson: jericka duncan in montgomery. thank you, jericka. landing this afternoon in the hudson river off of manhattan. it was the second aviation accident in the hudson this david begnaud has more. >> reporter: these videos show the helicopter spinning and the pilot fight

. >> reporter: but even televangelist pat robertson, who shares that same goal, worried the alabama bill is too extreme to make it to the highest court in the land. >> it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe versus wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court, because i think this one will lose. >> mary bruce with us live tonight from the hill. and mary, legal scholars have said that the conservativ conservative-leaning court has seemed more inclined to ship away at roe versus wade, and that's led somethat this alabam hurt their cause? >> reporter: yeah, david, there is a real divide here in the ant anti-abortion community in how to challenge this in the courts. some worry that the sweeping bans like the law in alabama may simply be too extreme for this court to even take up, and there are several more measured state laws they might be more inclined to take up instead. david? >> mary bruce with us again tonight. thank you, mary. >>> now, the conference held just a short time ago, news conference, police revealing the horror tonigh

. >> my humble view -- >> reporter: conservative televangelist pat robertson called the proposed lawxtreme. >> i think this one will lose. >> reporter: aclu of alabama executive director randall marshall says he's already won a fight against the state on abortion restrictions in 2016. >> we are preparing a legal challenge even as we speak. >> on what grounds? >> it violates the constitution. it interferes and is an unreasonable restriction on a woman's right to determine what she should do with her own body. >> reporter: in a statement released this evening the governor said that this legislation stands as a powerful testament to the state's deeply held belief that every life is precious. now that that bill has been signed, the aclu says that it is prepared to fight this in federal court. >>> the latest chapter in the ongoing church sex scandal is andicesthcatholic morning in hs kkba has been of ab following the story and has the latest. >> reporter: with the help of the fbi dallas police fanned across the city today, seizing documents and evidence from the secret archives ofros. reg

seeing quite a bit of conservatives, whether they're rnc chairwoman mcdaniel or televangelist pat robertson speaking out about that saying that the law goes too far. i think conservatives on the spr supreme court, whether it's brett kavanaugh, i think it's the stance a lot of conservatives are going to be looking to take. i think republicans take a very major political risk and this is something that president trump based off of his tweet yesterday very much understands. going the extreme route, not allowing abortion in cases of rape or incest, life of the mother at such a short period look six or eight weeks, that could potentially alienate voters, especially white, college educated women that have been over the past couple of years drifting away from the republican party toward the democratic party. so it's interesting to see this kind of all play out. however, i think republicans are very concerned about the situations in alabama and missouri. >> julie, let's turn to mayor pete buttigieg's town hall last night. within moment that suck out is when the crowd gave him a standing ovation. wh

are these cases so rads cal that as pat robertson would say, they are not going to pass the smell testut they are normalizing the restrictive measures that are limiting clinic possibilities for women especially women of lesser means. >> either way it's a catastrophe. they are normalizing the restrictions that will make it impossible for many women to have access to abortion or they are going to be successful in the supreme court reversing roe v wade. either one is catastrophic for the women who need it the most and deserve the ability to make decisions about her future and her body. what is most alarming is the cynicism. is the belief they have captured the supreme court. one official in alabama said we have a limited window. this is our time. there's a sense of a kind rule of law as they have captured the court and they can run this through up to the united states supreme court. they are normalizing the idea that one could engage in a rads c -- radical shift in the law. whether they chip away in fundamental ways that burden the rights so heavily. this is very, very serious. it's time

house is a moment to ban abortion in the country and you have alabama passing a bill that even pat robertson and, by the way, donald trump say is too extreme, you better believe that right now he has stirred up american women. the question is how much. because remember, white women voted for donald trump. right now in the polls, he's lagging even with noncollege educated white women. this issue is about women. you have biden coming out saying, listen, in fact, i believe that the government should help women in terms of family planning, emergency situations. you know, we're not talking about infanticide and lad term abortions. >> dana: he's moved left. that's where the party is going. >> jesse: yeah, the party is going far left. that's biden's problem. he will be dragged further left on all the issues. it will hurt him in the general if he survives the primary. >> dana: 16 months is a long time to be the frontrunner, brian. >> guess what donald trump is doing. he's going to get fired up next month. i laughed when mayor pete came out and said, i don't really like the tweets. i'm going to ignor

. >> i want to start with comments you've heard from pat robertson, who is a prominent evangelical, who has voiced concerns with just how far the alabama bill goes. he says, in fact, he says, i think alabama has gone too far. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. talk to me about this. >> i think that that kind of comment really takes a different kind of look at the court. we know that the court has ultimately discretion over what cases it takes, what cases it decides to hear. and it's by no means guaranteed that the justices would pick these case, when there are close to two dozen cases relating to abortion in the lower courts at this moment. >> so then what is the goal of that bill in alabama if not to be one of those bills that gets to the steps of the supreme court? >> well, as we've seen, throughout the years, the decades, even, the polling on abortion and on people's -- american's opinions of abortion has remained fairly steady. when you a

attention of some conservatives including evangelical preacher and former presidential candidate pat robertson who said the law may be too severe to even accomplish what these lawmakers in alabama are trying to do. >> i think alabama has gone too far. there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law. they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> now, look, alabama is not the only state, of course, doing something like this. 16 other states including missouri which overnight, their state houses were still debating a similar-type law. they have acknowledged it would not go into effect like any of the others unless roe v. wade was overturned >> interesting to see what happens next. thank you very much for that. >>> coming up on "new day," we'll speak to an alabama woman who had an abortion after being raped two years ago. what she told lawmakers last week and the message she wants to send to them today. >> it's 6:10 a.m. there is breaking news in the 2020 presidential ra

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increasingly conservative supreme court but that strategy may backfire warns conservative televangelist pat robertsongone too far. they want to challenge roe vs. wade but in my humble view, this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court i think this one will lose. >> republican house minority leader kevin mccarthy also takes issue with the alabama law. >> i believe the most precious gift god gives us his life and i've defended my pro-life position my whole political career but i've also believed in rape there was exceptions. >> the was harsher, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez tweeted this law forces people to be pregnant against their own consent, it's horrifying. with a conservative supreme court, republican state lawmakers to see an opportunity to revisit the 1973 roe v. wade decision that defined abortion rights for the past 46 years but progressives see an opportunity to rally a liberal base that does not want to see those rights taken away. >> shannon: thank you very much. critics on the left in the right decrying these new abortion bans as extreme. joining us to talk about th

. >> when pat robertson it goes too far -- >> that may be a tell. >> so the alabama abortion ban, believethe subject of late night laughs. listen. >> alabama's state legislature yesterday passed the country's tightest restrictions on reproductive rights which supporters say is intentionally designed to be challenged in the courts in the hopes of appealing to the supreme court and overturning roe v. wade. i'm sure if that does happen we can trust the supreme court to make a calm, reasonable -- >> i liked beer. >> oh. >> 25 state senators who voted for it are white men. take a look at these guys. that's like if men's wearhouse had a yearbook. can we see that again? looks like the world's hardest game of guess who. >> if you find out you're pregnant the law gives you all the time before you knew that to decide what you want to have done. that's a great out for any woman whose ob/gyn is doc brown. >> stephen colbert is reading the law correctly. it is true. >> you can get an abortion >> meanwhile, a new democratic candidate joining the 2020 race. we will have that coming up. woman: (on phone)

you have pat robertson -- let's play that sound real quick.take a listen. >> i think alabama has gone too far. it's an extreme law and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> i have to throw my papers now. >> i mean, the fact that we have pat robertson slightly in agreement just tells you how turned around the world is. but let's be very clear, the only person that is responsible for a tomorrow's pregnancy that is men. men are responsible 100% for women's pregnancy. so where are they part of this conversation? and what is happening across these states is basically providing an opportunity for women that have finally demonstrated their voice. let's not forget for the very first time we have over 126 women in our legislative chambers, in congress, representing us because we voted our hearts out this past midterm and what they're trying to do is they're trying to subject gate women, saying your place is not at the table. we als

it's sad with a piece of legislation that pat robertson said it went too far. we have no exception for incest and rain. that's unconscionable. i want people to know thus goes alabama, thus goes the united states of america. >> why do you think they did this? >> i don't think that the republican party in alabama has been batting that great of an average. you look at how they managed to lose the republican-held senate seat to doug jones. this is more par for the course. this issue while temporarily it might make them feel good, dealing with the consequence of getting roe v. wade overturned and banning abortion in this country would not be politically palatable. >> like a guy in a bar as he puts his arms back to be pulled back. do they want prohibition or want to take the fight? >> the gop has been cynical and navigated the line of exploiting pro life voters who are fed up. politically the leadership would never go quite that far. do i think that the republican party's leadership had enough sense to navigate the line. >> excuse me. do they want the win or the figh

even far-right christian evangelical leader pat robertson called the bill extreme, saying "it goes too farar." meanwhile, missouri's republican-led senate passed a bibill early today banning abortions at eight weeks of pregegnancy. the legislation now heads to the republican-led missouri house of representatives. republican governor mike parson has promised to sign the bill into law. architects behind the bills in alabama, missouri, and other states say they're aimed at overturning roe v. wade, the landmark 1973 supreme court ruling that recognizes the constitutional right to an abortion. president trump declared a national emergency wednesday over what he called threats to american technology, barring u.s. telecoms from installing foreign-made equipment. the move appears to be aimed at punishing huawei, the chinese maker of telecommunications gear and consumer electronics. it's the latest escalation of the u.s. trade war with china, after trump followed through last week on a threat to hike tariffs on $200 bibillion of chinese imports. meanwhile, the white house has delayed plans to p

. >> jesse: 12-point, pat robertson, pro-life individual, said he thought the law was too extreme andlabama had gone too far and it wasn't going to hold up the event it does go to the supreme court. >> dana: all the supreme court justices in the last 20 years, even longer, 35 years. they are asked, do you think roe v. wade is settled law. it's a tricky question. gorsuch and kavanaugh try to do it they had to explain it. they give assurances, like we are not for changing these things. but the states are restless. you have a situation where it's very interesting. guns, climate change, gay marriage are all issues that used to be really hot button issues. but there is wide acceptance now. public opinion has moved left. on life issues, they have started to move a little bit center right, even right, and i think a lot of it has to do with the pro-life movement being very organized and persuasive. in addition, there is the science. if you are a little kid today and you're going to get a sibling, chances are you've seen a picture of that sibling on your refrigerator from the first sonogram. t

. >> i think that pat robertson quote is really interesting. indication the president will take his time before responding and talking about this specific legislation and trying to figure out which way the wind is blowly politically here. on the whole he's looked at abortion as a way to hammer home his bona fide with the social conservatives. the president himself being married three times, he's had to prove those credentials to those voters, and he's done so. he's never shied away from culture war type of issues. he's the first president to speak at the march for life. this is the guy who's really tried to use this issue to drive wage and to identify himself as one with the social conservative movement, but he's also a survivalist. he will hem and haw on some of these issues. i can see a case where he could go either way on this. he could turn this into a big fight and say republicans need to stay strong and fight to stop abortion, and to curtail abortion rights, or he could potentially look at this and shy away from taking such a stance becau

. >> democrats are going to be running using pat robertson in their adds saying it's extreme. >> yes.w for emotional and purity reform has to strike a balance. i think the heartbeat bills in georgia and other states drive home how early a heartbeat is detectable. so the movement, since it's basically shutdown democratic issue, has to be about public persuasi persuasion. those bills help, alabama doesn't. >> rich, i agree with you. i think the alabama bill is obviously extreme, it was designed to get to the supreme court and get there rapidly. so if it ultimately gets to that court, the interaction between the court's calendar and the election calendar is going to be very interesting. and i also agree with you. i think this is an issue that, for the pro choice side has never had the kind of urgency has it has -- passion as it has on the anti-choice side. but this could flip that. and and for the life of me, i do not understand why you wouldn't even have an exception for rape or incest. >> you know, gene, an open supreme court seat didn't fire up the left. it is one of these things that

president trump, pat robertson, the evangelical leader, even the leaders in the congress, kevin mccarthye the real motion is. nevada is an outlier. >> ed: i want you to react, but first i want you to hear this. one of the democratic 2020 contenders, kirsten gillibrand, had this to say about taxpayer funding. watch. >> what would you say to taxpayers out there who say, i support everyone having their own freedoms, but when it comes to my tax dollars, abortion isn't something i want to support? >> you know, we have a tenant in our constitution called a separation of and state. i do not believe that is a valid argument. >> ed: she doesn't think it's a valid argument. >> again, you are seeing how the left is moving further and further into a radical position because they feel up against the walls because technology and science is on the side of pro-lifers. a lot of what they are trying to do is say that donald trump and republicans right now in office are dividing our country on abortion. our country has been divided toe resolved is roe v. wade is going to be overturned. it's going to go bac

suddenly, alabama comes around and puts forward a law as you saw, that pat robertson is opposed to it. the president didn't directly criticize the alabama law. but that's obviously -- >> chris, it's kind of an axiom of abortion politics. whichever party is painted more extreme losing on this. >> the president, if he was the governor of alabama wouldn't have signed that bill. he's, you foe -- >> but would he stand up and fight it? >> the way you fight it as a governor you veto it. i think he would have veto this bill because it didn't contain those three exceptions. listen, people are going to want to have the fight on this issue. always going to be a big fight on this issue. you're right, how each party is characterized on this is going to determine. the democrats will try to pin the president with the alabama bill. even as the president last night say he's not supportive of it. >> he didn't say that directly -- >> george, it's absolutely inherent what he said. if that's your litmus test on abortion, if that bill came to my desk as governor of new jersey it would have vetoed it. >> ho

i think it's telling that you have figures like pat robertson prming out and saying, this is too hard the e court won't like this kind of law. we know that chief justice roberts is deeply concerned about the reputation of the supreme court and about optics, about keeping the court above the political fray or at least aparing to do so. we know that brett kavanaugh during his confirmation hearing talked a lot about respect of precedent. it would require the court toec undodes of precedent in one decision with very little advance warning that that was going the happen. that seems to be a long shot. i think we're much more likely to see the court unravel roe more slowly by unrolling a series of more incremental decisions and offering hints at roe is not long for this world and getting rid of roe slowly, more like a death of uta thousand. >> nawaz: any sense of a time line of when that could happen? >> we don't knowco. id start soon, or the court might want the stay out of abortion altogether.s i would gun the next five years, but it's unpredictable. it's possible the c courtld uphold a la

even televangelist pat robertson thinks this is a bridge too far. >> i think alabama has gone too far is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law, and they want to challenge roe v. wade, but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the supreme court because i think this one will lose. >> so far this year, at least seven states have voted to restrict their existing abortion laws, and at least seven more have considered restrictions. a florida congresswoman calls it the all out war on women's bodies and we will fight back. you're a law student at georgetown when roe v. wade was decided at the supreme court. what is it like to see such sustained effort right now to not only chip away at abortion rights, but to completely overturn roe? >> well, good afternoon. it's great to be with you, ana. thank you for having me on your show today. we are in a war against women, and we are not going to take it because we're going to fight back and not go back. i'll tell you a story because i -- i lived in the days before roe v. wade, and i remember as a teenager actua

>> it says something that when even pat robertson says the alabama bill and republicans went too farbill. look, from everything we know about chief justice roberts, he's an institutionalist. i agree with susan. it's not necessarily about banning abortion overall, but it could be chipping away at roe v. wade and making it much more difficult for women to have access to abortions, whether it's to hospitals, whether it's to how many weeks an abortion can be performed. and it could very well not only become a political issue as we know that it already is, leading up to a presidential election, but it also really comes down to a socioeconomic issue. and the women who ultimately would pay the largest price are those who likely cannot afford to go to another state or to find a hospital or a doctor to perform an abortion. so a lot is on the line here. nothing will happen overnight, but this clearly will become a much more heated as we get closer to 2020. >> the issue of abortion, president trump over the years, he's totally flip-flopped. >> he has flip-flopped. and you saw republicans during

you had pat robertson saying this law is too extreme -- >> the alabama law, because there's no exceptions >> but i also think it's what the pro-choice community has been warning is coming down the pike and everybody has been saying they were crazy. so this is actually, you know, something that i think is going to be an extremely important issue in this -- in the race. and look, republicans wanted abortion to be an issue in this race. they were already, you know, spending a lot of time talking about the new york abortion law. and so this is something that they want. i think it's going to be something that they may end up to regret. yes, it will activate their voters, but i think the way it's going to really activate democratic voters is going to not work for them. >> you had the chairwoman of the republican national committee, ronna mcdaniel say that she would have supported an alabama law that had exemptions for rape and incest, which the alabama law does not. are you concerned as a republican who wants republican turnout and doesn't want democratic turnout that these laws, because they a

. >>> one abortion opponent, pat robertson said last night the state has gone too far. duncan has more. good morning to you. >> good morning. it will face extensive legal challenges, but there's growing momentum to capitalize on the support's first solid conservative majority in decades. >> all human life is precious. >> reporter: alabama's governor kay ivey signed the most restrictive abortion ban into law on wednesday saying it is time for the supreme court to e revisit roe v. wade. >> where is the money coming for support, people who aren't ready to be mothers or who aren't financially stable to take care of a child. >> you can't defer protecting the lives of unborn children because of cost. >> it is a law designed to end roe versus wade for good. >> reporter: cbs legal analyst rikki klieman says it could make be two years before it make s i to the support. -- support. >> you may have a whittling away of roe long before there could be a case that ultimately overturns it. >> reporter: kleman says it's likely the justices will hear one abortion case by 2020 in the midd