what we're going to see today is a debate by phyllis schlafly and pat schroeder congresswoman from the state of colorado. she was a feminist and pr pro-e.r.a. supporter. so we could turn down the lights and we'll start the clip.

pat schroeder had many campaigns and had to run against the democrat because she was not the person at the party thought would win. she won reelection by creating her own force and going door to door. even after she was elected in her first term, the party still put somebody up against her as an incumbent. so, you know, we need, in many cases, to do it through neighborhood movement groups and not necessarily the party. >> this is always a sensitive topic when you talk to women in business or in high-power positions. i was moderating a panel with the former governor of texas, ann richards. we talked about women in politics and she said that what stops women is the inability to embrace the personal and political power. i'm interested. she said, there is this "i don't want to seem ambitious" thing. >> there is a bit of a dance there. as i said earlier, is a struggle for women to have their own power. i think entitlement has a negative connotation and the goal is for girls and women to operate with a better sense of entitlement and say that they are deserving and the opportunity. that they

gave a bank -- you know about pat schroeder, i was the wealthiest person in her and shee -- districtever asked for a sense. i said, i am so rich and people will think that if i have an ambassadorship and given obscene amount of money to the clinton campaign, they will think that i bought my way and and it is because of my money. said, theyat me and already think that about everything else you do. get over it. just get over it. this is something that you should do. wow, boy, is that staying. but that is part of the change. pat schroeder had many campaigns and had to run against the thecrat because she was not person at the party thought would win. she won reelection by creating her own force and going door to door. even after she was elected in her first term, the party still put somebody up against her as an incumbent. need, in manywe cases, to do it through neighborhood movement groups and not necessarily the party. >> this is always a sensitive topic when you talk to women in business or in high-power positions. panel withating a the former governor of texas, ann richards.-- we tal

what we're going to see today is a debate by phyllis schlafly and pat schroeder congresswoman from the state of colorado. she was a feminist and pro-e.r.a. supporter. so we could turn down the lights and we'll start the clip. >> bill zimmerman and virginia sherwood. >> i'd like to start first of all, and i can direct this at both of you, but i think mainly it will probably be for you, mrs. schlafly. that is the quotation we started the law with, equality of the rights under the law will not be denied or abridged by the united states or by any state on account of sex. now, you are with stop e.r.a. why are you against this? >> well, the language of the amendment i think shows why we didn't find out what was the matter with it until we got well into this constitutional debate. most people thought it meant equal pay for equal work, but that's now already guaranteed by the equal employment opportunity act of 1972. but we have found that the equal rights amendment will take away from women some of the most important rights that they now possess. for example, the laws of every one of our 50 s

i gave a bank -- you know about pat schroeder, i was the wealthiest person in her district and she neversked for a contribution. i said, i am so rich and people will think that if i have an ambassadorship and had given ambassadorship and had given an obscene amount of money to the clinton campaign, they will think that i bought my way in and it is because of my money. pat looked at me and said, they already think that about everything else you do. get over it. just get over it. this is something that you should do. wow, boy, does that stay with you. >> that is part of the change. pat schroeder had many campaigns and had to run against the democrat party because she was not the person that the party thought would win. she won reelection by creating her own force and going door to door. even after she was elected in her first term, the party still put somebody up against her as an incumbent. so, you know, we need, in many cases, to do it through neighborhood movement groups and not necessarily the party. >> this is always a sensitive topic when you talk to women in business or in high-powe

now, the amendment simply stated as pat schroeder said in the clip, equal rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by congress by the united states or by any state on account of sex. that's all it said. and the congress shall have the power to enforce provisions of this article. it was a pretty simple amendment. sounded pretty innocuous. but this simple amendment, innocuous as it sounded, marked a turning point in the revival of the right and a sign the political winds were changing in the country. the amendment passed congress in march 1972. there have been attempts during the senate fight to amend the amendment, modify it, to exclude women from the draft, to protect labor legislation, that protected women, workers in the workplace passed in the 19 -- at the turn of the century and to protect marital rights and to exclude women from combat and so forth. the failed. the very first state to ratify the following day was hawaii. that was followed by a few days later by a sweep of the states, delaware, nebraska, new hampshire, idaho and iowa. by 1973, 24 states had ratified e