there are a lot of pat swindalls. lot of people on the left who would support things a conservative that deficit -- advocacy group might want to feed it to where you can talk honestly with each other about what you want to see. >> thank you so much for the presentation. i am from the united nations foundation. the question is to both of you. it seems what you are a member of congress or have a grass-roots campaign or in the relationship of voting will nation should, in the business of voting relationship so the question is once you provide that robust support, and that support where you get the transformation and inspiration, how do you get people to engage with you? how do you get people to engage in that support or take that step in building relationships? is it getting out and having more town hall meetings? this general idea of how to get people to take that engagement? >> oversimplified -- if you have 500 stakeholders in seattle i would find a host and a little in fighting team of folks and hopefully those five i