up next, former new york mayor jorm pataki next. >>> plus, as nypd and other departments put their officers on heightened alerts for their own safety, we'll ask congressman peter king what this means for us, the people they're supposed to be protecting. stay tuned. >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want them? >> now! ♪

>> george pataki is trying to change the conversation.nd part of the conversation we've been having in this country right now has been a difficult conversation and bits the relationship with, between police and communities. and the overall racial disparities within the criminal justice system. and i think to come out and make it about president obama, to make it about if you will, people with whom you do not agree with politically is an effort to score cheap political points. what the governor should be doing, the former governor should be doing, saying i want to be part of a conversation about change. not a conversation about whether this is about saying, i'll stand up for police officers and support their mission. which i do and many of us do. that doesn't mean that police officers are beyond criticism. or if as an institution, law enforcement cannot be asked, cannot be forced to change some of its practices. we can have both conversations. it is not one indeed or the other. and i think those that want to score political points by attac

you haven't mentioned anything about pataki, and pataki to me is the only guy with a clean record thatould put up a fight against hillary. host: larry and his crystal ball outlook on 2015 ranked pataki in his seventh tier, 20th out of the 21 potential republican candidates ranked by larry sabido, just ahead of bob ehrich, and just behind peter king. in that category, the seventh tea is wanna buy a book category. guest: so promoting themselves essentially. pataki has been making some moves, but still, as sabido is pointed out, not considered a serious contender. host: rebecca berg is with the with the washington examiner." you can follow her on twitter @rebeccaberg. we appreciate your time this morning. guest: thank you. host: up next -- on the day that "the interview" is being released in limited release in american theaters, we'll talk about the influence of american culture and america's image abroad with author and humanities professor martha

more with governor george pataki. >> seth rogen, american hero. thought you would never hear those words but in the aftermath of sony to make the interview available, he might be adding freedom firefighter to his resume. will you see the interview? i will talk to one of the theater owners playing t"the interview" and a critic who a's seen the movie. >>> and killer tornadoes in then south. >>> out in the streets with those protesters tonight, miguel, what's the very latest? how many people do you think are marching now? >> reporter: well, we're looking at 2 maybe 300 people. they picked up a lot of steam when they moved into harlem. a band of protesters from the bronx met them here. things really got a little more interesting. several hundred were here at that point. now, it seems folks are probably starting to go home. there's almost more police now looking at the crowd here, than there are protesters. there is a heck of a lot of police. they would like them to get out of the streets. the protesters, we thought they were ending their protest at 12

>> no, with giuliani and pataki, i was working for the governor, it's personal. they have seen and they said they have been to too many police funerals. the atmosphere that was created, and the easier response after the eric garner case was to talk about the gar case, to say we saw what we saw, we are shocked and saddened. on a daily basis, what the officers of the n.y.p.d. do for the city - that should have been his messages, to remind people that every day they protect all of us. regardless of colour. in giuliani's case, the biggest drop in crime was in the neighbourhood of african-american community. the police felt they hung out there. i said when bill de blasio took offer, he'd have free rein of the city. he has a liberal council, he is a progressive. if he loses the police and if crime keeps up in the city, that would be his biggest problem. that is his biggest problem, dealing with the police. >> will you chime in on that. do you think many of the politicians lost the police. what about the president, hoteled. -- holder. >> he has to keep crime down as the

former governor of new york george pataki, republican, sent out a tweet also very credible of democratic of the mayor, these are his words, we're sickened by these barbaric acts which sadly are predictable out come of divisive anti--cop rhetoric of attorney general eric holder and bill de blasio is that fair? >> i don't think so it's fair. i send my condolences to the families of these police officers. i don't think it's fair because the clear insanity of lone gunman to the peaceful protests and aspirations of many people across the country including the attorney general, the mayor, even the president. simply not fair. >> schieffer: this does appear as you say to be deranged man. but are these shootings somehow a step backwards in the effort to try to get this thing right? >> i believe it's not a step forward. we have a violence problem. think about it this way. the tears of the families of these police officers and the tears of eric garner's family and michael brown's family, aren't shed in law enforcement blue. they're colorless. they're tragic. unnecessary. we have a violence problem.

george pataki. nice to see you. >> thank you, bill. bill: best to you and your family. >> you too.nks. molly. molly: fema says it accidentally overpaid hundreds of victims of a flood last year in colorado and now the agency is demanding that money back but the people who got those fema checks say they needed help getting back on their feet. adam housley is live in who is loss with this -- in los angeles with this. adam, what went wrong here? >> reporter: one of the issues is potentially duplication of fund. fema can't pay what insurance covers. in this case there is a lot of political pressure, when you have a disaster like what happened in colorado to get people funded as quickly as possible. it has impacted more than 2,000 square miles with an estimated $2 billion in property losses. at the time the victims frequently urged to seek help. >> fema assistance is not guaranteed. however, if you don't register, it is guaranteed you won't get assistance. >> reporter: more than a year after the colorado flood, letters arrived from the federal emergency management agency demanding paybac

former new york governor george pataki accused mayor bill de blasio of putting police officers' lives in danger. de blasio had supported recent peaceful protests against police following the death of eric garner at the hands of an officer. yesterday. police officers turned their backs on de blasio as he walked by. however. the mayor called the shootings an "assassination." we will continue to follow this developing story. for the latest updates you can visit our website at kron four dot com or visit our facebook and twitter pages. a gruesome discovery along interstate 80 in vallejo this morning. kron four's philippe djegal reports a man was found dead and investigators have not ruled this case out as a homicide. phillipe djegal>>: the unresponsive person police were called to check-up on, westbound off-ramp leading to inerstate 78 turned out to be a dead man. and, vallejo police lieutenant kevin bartlett says investigators are looking into weather or not this 48-year old man from vallejo was murdered. sot- "it's a suspicious death and we're not classifying it either at this point." th

what we understand is hank he is leaning toward helping george pataki raise money. don't want to throw money away. >> there are lots of reasons why people do things. this guy is a very -- the governor of new york state, hank had a lot of business dealings with him selling insurance in new york state because when he was head of aig, not saying that is why this project but that is where these connections, you can't unravel these. hank might like george pataki, very nice man. but i don't think he is an effective governor. i will say this about two or three months ago i wrote a column about how republicans for cuomo, can lendone supporting the democrat of the republican reselling out cheap. and i mentioned something about george pataki having a couple good years as governor and the rest of it he invested in interpretation or impersonation of mario cuomo and also rockefeller and he went nuts. one of the reasons he went nuts is he wants to run for president. i think it is delusional. dave: even if you have $1 billion you want to hold on to your millions. more executive bo

earlier tonight, i spoke with the former new york governor, george pataki. >> there's been a conservativenew york police department, the best trained police department anywhere and one that had made enormous strides to making this city the safest large city in america at tremendous risk to themselves. we should be applauding this great police department and they should not have been demonizing it the way it happened over the last two years. >> the former governor, george pataki, in the situation room. joining me, dan bongino. also, former nypd captain and currently the brooklyn bureau president, adams. thank you very much for joining us. dan, let's start with the protests happening now. some live pictures of the protesters marching through the streets of manhattan. you say you're disgusted by what's going on. tell us why. >> wolf, while i would ferociously support their protest, that doesn't make it right. i don't get what their end game is here. if the goal of the protest is to gather public support for your cause, well, this is a fail of epic proportions. i don't think any straight thin

earlier i spoke with former new york governor george pataki. >> over the last two years there's beent to demonize the snonew york pol department, the best trained police department in america anyone and one that made enormous strides making new york the safest city in america. we should be applauding this police department and they should not be demonizing it the way it happened the last two years. >> former governor george pataki in the "situation room." joining us now former secret service agent and the brooklyn bu borough president, eric adams. thank you for joining us. dan, let me start with this protests happening now and we show our viewers live pictures of these protests marching through the streets of manhattan. you say you're disgusted what's happening. tell us why. >> while i would ferociously defend their right to protest. this is america. to protest is america. this doesn't make it right. i don't get what their end game is. if the idea is to gather support for your cause, this is a fail of enormous proportions. i don't think any straight thinkers think this is a good idea

in addition to this comment from pataki, the question is, these are real concerns by the mayor.he is concerned for his son's safety as many people are. is the question that he should not say this in public, he should keep these to himself and should he not even criticize officers when they are wrong in thinks opinion? >> no. i think he can. and he can still do it in a respectful way. the comments like that, and there's been a lot of this come out in the last couple of months. i've been on the air talking when, you know, someone published a statement saying how to survive an encounter with the police. and, you know, i said wait a minute, this is like saying how do you survive an encount we are a rattle snake or a grizzly bare or a wolf? i mean the police are not out there killing people just, you know, for the fun of it. and, yes, it happens. yes, there are officers that use excessive force on occasion. but given the tens of millions of police encounters with the public every year, you have really not that many incidents. yes, those police officers need to be brought to justice.

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should governor pataki be held accountable?hould the police union rhetoric be held accountable for something like that? this is going to be an escalating situation. that's in its way as bad as the worst of the protesters trying into cite violence. and that's exactly what they're doing. >> i wanted to get you here last week but unfortunately you were not available to talk about sony. breathtaking. the hackers -- >> unbelievable. >> are we going to see more of this, do you think? >> i'm convinced if we have learned nothing over the past couple of years, it is that no institution that we think of as invulnerable, whether it be sony pictures corporation, jpmorganchase, the nsa, the white house, the post office, home depot, target, they've all been hacked by various different culprits. and so cyber warfare is a real thing, and if they can bring major corporations or even government agencies to their knees, and we're powerless basically to stop it, in some cases to even identify who the villains are, it's a serious issue. >> do you t

mayor, rudy giuliani recorded earlier in the story but also the former governor of new york, governor pataki really laying the blame squarely on the mayor's office and all of the protestors. >> yeah there have definitely been dissenting voices political as well as former nypd telling-sayi that this is becoming a rift between the mayor's office and the police department. >> and how about the connections to what happened in baltimore at this point. >> police have determined that the suspect had shot an ex-girlfriend at about 5:45, 6:00 in the morning. and then a few several hours later learned that he had made postings on instagram saying he was looking to kill police officers. they were able to determine by cell phone that he was in new york city and as well as sent out and reached out to the nypd, sent out a wanted poster to the nypd that reached the nypd right as the shooting was occurring. >> so the baltimore police department got the message to the nypd just too late. >> not necessarily too late. they got the first connection sounds like tween the baltimore police department and the nyd w

former new york govern pataki accused deblasio of putting police officer's lives in danger. >> >> meantime, investigators trying to piece together a motive. >> police believe the gunman shot and injured his girlfriend in baltimore before heading to new york. they are hoping she will be able to provide more clues as to why this tragedy happened. >> blood is on the hands of one individual, sick mind that did a sick act to two minute people. >> reporter: details emerged sunday on the man authorities say shot and killed two new york city police officers while they sat in their patrol car. police say he shot his ex- girlfriend in baltimore before traveling to new york. >> he calls the mother on the phone, the girlfriend's mother and said he shot her by accident and he hopes she lives. >> reporter: baltimore officials say she is hospitalized in critical condition. they hope she will be able to provide information about the new york shootings. baltimore police began to monitor him as he began heading north, hours later, i killed officers and then took his own life. brooklyn borrow president eric

i think the one -- neil: you left out george pataki. >> i love him. he's been on this show.eil: are you sort of nice to everyone? >> you know what, i take the high road. try to to be positive. watch christie. i have to give my listeners credit, watch it all fall apart -- neil: the money guys are getting leery. they could easily coalesce around a different guy. right now it's not christie. >> not bush. neil: i don't know who it will be. >> look at the other side. who can fight the other side? it's not going to be hillary. neil: when are you going to the 40th reunion? >> february 15th. in the beacher section. >> you are so kind. between you and i, i didn't know if i would be invited or not. neil: are you kidding? if they didn't invite you, that would be the lead story on this show. disan italian, it's going to be a long day. >> and chris christie, watch him, if i may respectfully state. neil: there you go. someone is in the tank. when we come back, all you restaurant guys who had to redo your menu. print out calorie counts. hope the ink isn't dry. you have to do the same thing

former governor george pataki tweet, sickened by these attacks, divisive of anti-cop rhetoric, ever eric holder, mayor deblasio. what was said. >> absolutely he did but so did the president of the united states. and so did holder. >> you might point your fingers to some liberals saying some things but republicans saying another thing. it's so polarized right now. >> at the scene of where these two officers were assassinated, you see the whole community, black, brown, every single nationality every diversity coming out putting flowers down crying that two police officers were executed in their city, that's what we need, and hopefully will drive the rhetoric in a positive way from here on in. and i'm hoping that the mayor really, when he came in that night, i have been there you know when other people have been killed, when eddie burn was killed, i was there that night. when be an execution during an undercover operation, i was there. it is a breathtaking stoic moment, when you see the families being brought in by highway cars, i'm hoping that this stops the rhetoric and drives us in a pos

more with governor george pataki. >> seth rogen, american hero.ht you would never hear those words but in the aftermath of sony to make

>> 20 years ago pataki said police would get training. there was going to be a major change, d.a.ays, heads would roll, i'm still waiting for heads to roll. >> in your son's case? >> in every case. >> you were promised and it didn't happen is that what you're saying? >> there was perjury all over and nothing happens to nobody. >> but if change is going to have to happen -- >> it has to be change within the department. inside the man's office inside the governor's office. inside not from outside, we're not going to do nothing outside, but just give them more leeway to put us in jail, find out who you are, make up a story, because the first thing they put out is, your record of the victims. not the police. >> did they do that in your son's case? >> yes, they tried to do everything. but the only thing they could come up with, he had asthma. the asthma went when he was 15. >> and that was a contributing factor, if he was in a choke hold it wouldn't have killed him. >> like garner, they put his hands behind him and dragged him. >> do you think if the protests are effective they'll lead

>> 20 years ago, pataki told us that the officers were going to get training, 20 years ago. there's going to be a major change, and even the d.a. said, heads are going to roll, whose head is going to roll? i'm still waiting for heads to roll. it has to be within. within the department. inside the man's office. inside the governor's office. inside not from outside. we're not going to do nothing outside but just give them more leeway to put us in jail, find out who you are, make up a story, because the first thing they put out is, your record. of the victims. >> right. they do that in your son's case? >> yes, they try to do everything. but the only thing they could come up with was, he had asthma. he had asthma when he was a baby. the asthma went when he was about 15. >> and that was a contributing factor -- >> right, he was laid down on the ground like garner and they put his hands behind him and they dragged him. >> do you think demghtse demonss will be effective and bring about change? >> it will be asking questions but really not do anything. >> well, the mother of a 12-ye

ed, before i go to you, i want to bring in a message that was left on twitter, a tweet, governor patakirmer governor of new york, sickened by these barbaric acts which sadly are a predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop red trick of #ericholder, #mayor de blasio. >> i started -- -- martin luther king's role model was gandy and if martin luther king would have stood up and said burn america, burn america, america would have burned. we have got to stop the rhetoric, when you allow something to go on, like occurred here last week brrks a college professor takes the garbage can and throw it off a bridge and severely wound police officers and in his bag is two hammers and a mask, he clearly can didn't go to that rally to build something, he went to destroy something. the labor union, the sciu, one of the labor leaders organizers is also one of the people that beat up the cops. those two cops were there to basically be the peace negotiators and to allow that behavior makes this idiot that came from another place thinks it's okay to kill two cops. >> i'm thinking of that family who spoke toni

among them, former new york governor george pataki. >> he should be out there expressing his outrage and expressing his support for the police. you look at the rhetoric over the last few years from obama, holder, deblasio. it's all anti-police. forgive me if i have been too emotional, but i have been to too many police funerals. . >> former chief of staff to west virginia senator joe manchin. chris, do you think that president obama is going to come on camera. i than he is on vacation in hawaii, but as i stated earlier in my take, there are cameras in hawaii. do you think that he will come on camera as he did with eric garner and michael brown several times? >> i don't know whether he will or won't. he came out with a statement with these terrible killings. my advice to the president would be to come out and say something. there's yovlt -- there's a lot of emotion, a lot of anger and frustration going on right now. i think this is an opportunity where, you know, where a president could come out and help kind of focus the country on what matters, and so if i was advising him and he wa

then we hear that governor pataki, former governor of new york may step in. a lot going on, carl. >> sure a lot of names will be thrown out there and jeb bush announcing yesterday he is creating a pac to explore presidential run already stirred things up. it is worth noting there are awful lot of candidates out there, and if you take a mitt romney out of the poll, a awful lot of polls say jeb bush if not is the frontrunner. hours after he made his announcement yesterday, kentucky senator rand paul on kelly file launched 30 second broadside against the fell governor who is unapologized snorter of common core. they have come particularly during the obama administration, a federal curriculum instead of standards and undermines state and local education authority. >> ronald reagan ran on the platform of getting rid of the department of education. we always believed in decentralized education. so for jeb bush to run in the primary will be very, very difficult because if you're going to be for a national curriculum and common core and no child left behind, this acc

governor pataki is asking, where is president obama on all of this? >> the president had no qualms going on tv and making a statement right after ferguson. where has he been on this? he put out a paper statement. he should be on the air supporting our police, telling the people of america how important their role is, how dangerous their role is, how proud he is of what they do to protect every american and un hold the rule of law. the president should be on air supporting our police. >> what do you think about that? the president has weighed in on a lot of local issues, cambridge issue, the gay nba player, a lot of issue that people have said he doesn't need to comment on that. why doesn't he step up to a mike and make a statement? >> he would have to back the mayor who is toxic and he's not going to do it at this point. i think the fact that the mayor blamed the media yesterday, that shows weakness. he is against the ropes. his knees are shaking and he doesn't know where to go because that is a last ditch effort. you see it time and again. this is fr

george pa ta pataki. >> other people have said that.at happened at the moment that he said this. we're talking about de blasio has to do something. patrick lynch has to do something, new york city police department has to do something to get the city together. do i have confidence in new york city they can get together? of course i do. how about you guys? how do you feel? >> yeah, there's a point, what jeff said, when people are seeing these officers, they need to see human beings, need to see ramos, the father and husband, liu the newlywed. everybody wants to get back home to their namefamilies. we have to understand that and understand people have the right to say we want better policing. >> people have the right to peacefully protest. certainly i condemn and know every civil rights person has condemned when people were protesting and some of them said, you know, kill the police or we want that -- that's absolutely wrong and we can't do that. >> before we go, i want to make sure we said this, because at times these officers who take t

in the wake of this killing -- of these killings, former new york governor george pataki cited eric holderto blame. taking to twitter saying it was part of divisive anti-cop. holder called the shootings senseless and an unspeakable act of barbarism. a week ago he sat for an interview with joy reid. in the first part he spoke about local police and african-americans. in this portion of the interview today with joy, he speaks about race on america as well as his own accomplishments in office. >> you talked about the fact you've been forthright in a lot of ways talking about race. that's true. a lot of people believe that of you. your critics on the right might say, he came out swinging. saying we're a nation of cowards on race, talking about things in a very blunt way when it came to race. so, it's not surprising the other side swung back. do you feel in any sense that you might have come out and polarized the debate at all when it comes to talking about race? >> no, you see, i think that people have to be prepared to deal with the truth, with the facts. and not be defensive about that. if p

backs as the mayor walked into last night's press conference and former new york governor george pataki tweeted "these barbaric acts are predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop rhetoric," and then he put the hashtags for the attorney general and mayor de blasio. ryan. >> thanks so much. such senseless killings. >>> now to more on those chilling messages brinsley posted online before heading north from baltimore where he shot his ex-girlfriend. abc's bazi kanani continues our team coverage in owings mill, maryland. bazi. >> reporter: good morning, ryan. baltimore county police say the woman shot in her apartment here is expected to survive and they hope she can tell them more about the shooter as they try to figure out his motive. the last facebook post from ismaaiyl brinsley seemingly foreshadows a violent ending. "i always wanted to be known for doing something right. but my past is stalking me, and my present is haunting me." investigators now combing over the 28-year-old's social media accounts to look for what led to his rampage. on a dating website, brinsley is pictured behind a c

while former new york governor george pataki also slammed the obama administration, tweeting: sickenedy these barbaric acts which, sadly, are a predictable outcome of divisive, anti-cop rhetoric of had been tagg eric holder and hashtag bill de blasio. but former new york city mayor rudy giuliani saying that is an overreaction. >> i think it goes too far to blame the mayor for the murder or to ask for the mayor's resignation. but i don't think it goes too far to say that the mayor did not properly police the protest. he allowed the protesters to twaik over the streets. -- take over the streets. he allowed them to hurt police officers, to commit crimes, and he didn't arrest them. and when you do that, similar to what happened in crown heights, you create a tremendous riot. he should have known better. for that, he has to take accountability, and he's got to change the way in which he operates. >> and the question today is how much accountability, david, will the mayor take. now, he's been laying pretty low because there's a lot of fingers pointing at the mayor for his rhetoric. you know,

. >> there are been plenty of political opportunities from the likes of george pataki, bernard carrekdy giuliani, all of whom have attempted to blame mayor de blasio for this horrific incident, an incident by a mentally ill person. as i mentioned. i will say that today i think we have perhaps taken a step back from the press i business in new york cit city-- precipice in new york city. my sense is that police union leadership has pulled back from some of the heated rhetoric and that there will be a pause on this kind of language, at least through the date of the funerals of the officers, four or five days hence. and a number of prominent protest lead ares in new york city have also called for the temperature to be lowered. and for a period of respect. >> woodruff: but the officer colligan said it has been a difficult time for police officers in the last few months. dow believe police officers have been at greater risk? >> because of the protests, no. absolutely not. policing is an incredibly dangerous job. and it deserves our respect, for people who are willing to put their life on th

south carolina's lindsey graham, former new york governor george pataki both saying today they're lookingt running for president. but how do you see the bush announcement affecting some other names we've been hearing about? i mean, rand paul, the governor of texas, former governor of texas, rick perry. >> i think it makes it hard for marco rubio to run and maybe harder for chris christie to run mitt romney. but otherwise he's not the field-clearing candidate like hillary clinton is on the other side. he's ahead in the polls, but there are questions about how he will do in debates. will republicans who nominate candidates be willing to accept his views on immigration and common core where he's at odds with the mainstream of the party? i think a lot of these candidates we've been hearing about like rand paul and scott walker, i would not think they would be deterred by the idea jeb bush is getting inment some can dates would be, but i don't think there is clearing the field. i think we'll have a big field on the republican side and a big fight. >> woodruff: phil rucker, already conversation

former new york governor george pataki tweeting "these barbaric acts sadly are a predictable outcome of divisive anti-cop rhetoric of eric holder and mayor de blasio." >> it cannot be tolerated. that blood on the hands starts on the steps of city hall in the office of the mayor. >> reporter: nypd officers even turned their backs on the mayor as he walked into last night's press conference. so far no response just yet from the mayor to his critics, george. >> okay, linsey, thanks. we're joined now by ray kelly, the long eest serving commissioner of new york police and u.s. congressman greg meeks. let me begin with you, commissioner kelly. the anger of the police so palpable right now. is it fair of them to blame the mayor? >> obviously there's a lot of emotion involved when two police officers are killed. i think when the mayor made statements about, they had to train his son -- his son, who is biracial, to be careful when he's dealing with the police, i think that set off this latest firestorm, and, quite frankly, the mayor ran an anti-police campaign last year when he ran for mayor