and did that job well and patesdzfully.ll the review groups and even the president said nobody's been found doing anything wrong. so put that on the table. second look what's going on with isis today. terrorism is a very real threat. what nrn nsa does to protect this country and our allies is something we cannot remove. but most importantly, our government needs our tech companies to make this work. and tech companies from other countries support them. we've got to have an open and transparent way to show that what we're doing isn't going against others but doing it in the right way. that's going to cause for having rules in the road, types of behavior, and a way of setting it up so that everybody knows it's being done exactly right. i think there is a way to do that. >> are you saying that apple and goodle and facebook hurting our national security or public perception of our security? >> they're not hurting -- that are going to do what the courts tell them to do. they want i think first and foremost what they want is visi