pathor warren and his wife kay.this is heart breaking to listen to for anybody, never mind a parent or anyone to go through this. you are there at his house, matthew's house. you now know that he has done what you have always hoped you would never do. did you go in? did you go and try to see him? >> i didn't want to see what the pocket was. i opened the door, i led the police in, i immediately came right back out. i didn't want to -- >> no, we didn't. neither of us wanted to. the pictures in our mind are terrible enough. >> were bad enough. >> and we were fortunate, some people find their loved ones. we were fortunate that we did not have to witness that, but they let us know it was catastrophic that the police officer was this, you don't want to have an open casket. so i assumed i would never see him again. so i said, i am definitely, i want to see, i am going to hug him when you bring him out. and so they did. when they, then when they brought his body out, i, i hugged him for all it was worth and they, the corone