consultant of the department of the russian peoples' friendship university named after patrice lumumbal russian university of peoples' friendship named after patrice lumumba. klishes andrey aleksandrovich, professor, senator of the russian federation, representative of the government of the krasnoyarsk territory, chairman of the federation council committee on constitutional legislation and state building. chechelnitsky ilya valentinovich, first deputy head of the working apparatus of the commissioner for human rights in the russian federation. for the comprehensive scientific and practical development of a pedagogical system of professional retraining for advanced training of teachers to work in the conditions of the russian academy of education, professor of the department of the institute of digital education of moscow city pedagogical university. olga yurievna zaslavskaya, professor at the moscow city institute of digital education. pegogian university.

well, during the cold war it was the united states of america, but there was some support for patrice lumumbay the soviet union, so you know for sure that our russian people's friendship university is named after patrice lumumba. at that moment, zaire became a point of contact and a point of play. such a big game between the soviet union and the united states of america, everyone saw the soviet union behind patrisalumbai. in fact , patrimba was not a communist, he was a leftist, as they say , in short, a figure of leftist views, but he was not a communist, his murder, and led to the fact that the civil war heated up with new force, this did not stop the citizens. war and the united states of america needed this - any country in any country encountered the interests of the soviet union and they tolerated this communist threat. and africa , that means, from the beginning of the liberation of the so-called year of africa in 1960, it was the place where these geopolitical interests of the two superpowers collided. and zaire was among them. it all started in 1960, congo gained independence, by the

actually patrice lumumba was not a communist, he was a leftist, as they say, in short, a figure of leftistot a communist. his murder led to the fact that the civil war heated up with renewed vigor , it did not stop the civil war, and the united states of america needed this: any country in any country collided with the interests of the soviet union and they imagined this communist threat, and africa, this means that from the beginning of the liberation of the so-called year of africa, from the sixtieth year, it was... the place where these the geopolitical interests of the two superpowers, including zaire, where it all began, in the sixtieth year the congo gained independence, by the way it was the last country that freed itself from colonial dependence, it was a colony of belgium, the belgian congo, the struggle for power begins, which means , lumumba became chairman of the government, kosavubu became president. years in general, this conflict was one of the largest conflicts; in terms of the number of losses during this conflict, it probably ranks first in africa, it is assumed that duri

role in the congo, which had been a belgian colony and he viewed patrice lumumba as a threat to align with the soviet union. so there was language along the lines of we need to get rid of lumumba. so after reading this, i told the guard sorry, but i'm not going, i'm not going to request any specific document. i don't want to limit the request. i have to go back and talk with the chief counsel because i knew this was, this was the kind of the holy grail. and i reported to fred schwartz that, that we had to have everything in the five boxes and it couldn't have been more obvious that the five boxes would then lead to 500 requests for more documents down every trail to get all of the details and then bring in all of the witnesses. that's what happened. a, because fritz schwartz new how to direct all of that and the rest of us did it. b, because frank church supported it. and john on the republican side, the secret sauce was howard baker, richard schweiker, charles mathias. they were moderate republicans who were deeply committed to this. and john tower didn't take long to be committed as

but you also tried to meet p.j., when he was he was the plot to kill patrice lumumba, right?yes well, we ran across a guy, professional assassin. location, unknown with the codename q j win, i think that came up in colby's testimony. i recall and i was headed on the first parliamentary delegation to, russia, with a dozen other senators. and i talked to colby and. i said, when we come back, it wasn't me. it was the whole delegation transited back from moscow through overnight in amsterdam. and i don't know i had no evidence, but i somehow intuited that. q jay, when was a european and then he might be somewhere nearby and that there was indication that he was also implicated, headed in one or more of the crew of the cuban plots. so i simply wanted to try to find him and talk him, ask him if he had anything to add about all of this. so bill colby said, i'll do my best. and we were set after. moscow spent almost a week and did transit back through amsterdam with our spouses. my dear late wife fleet and. i got a message from a man, a young man in. moscow at our last press conferen

sophisticated, no different from other change operations against foreign leaders in other countries like patrice lumumba in the congo and mohammad mosaddeq in iran. and that is part that process. they intended to keep this film, seek rid forever and that's what life magazine's position was. as it turns out. kathy jackson, who was the high executive at life magazine, was a c.i.a. under what was called operation and it would have been very easy for the cia to prevail on his -- it, to do its dirty work and this film secret. what do you think the cia's motive was then, if they were part of the life magazine suppression? that's a fascinating question after the kennedy had already entered into a battle, fierce battle with the cia after the bay of pigs disaster. this was in 61. and kennedy had been set up by the cia in that operation. the cia had lied to kennedy, telling him, you won't need to any air support on this. it'll succeed without the air support. and they were lying. and so when the operation started to go down to defeat, kennedy says. they come to kennedy and say, well, we need the support. after al

cables talked about what these guys might have a chance to do, when they went to the congo, where patrice lumumbawas being held under house arrest in the jungle at that point, by the united nations, but there were many people after him, and the cable that was sent back to headquarters from the station chief in the congo that said recommend pouch soonest, high- powered rifle with telescopic scope, hunting good here when the light is right. so-- and that was in addition to the poison toxins, which were developed by a cia scientist, who went down to the congo to deliver the syringe and the toxins, and the cia station chief himself testified, or discussed later in life clumsy had about what he was asked to do. he said who authorized you to tell me to in fact assassinate this guy? and he said the answer he got from the cia doctor was the highest authority, and he says does that mean the president of the united states? and the answer was yes. now, unclear whether that cia doctor actually knew that at that point i think it was eisenhower, had given the order , but the larger point here from a policy poi