the one that was most difficult for me and i do appreciate the work and the experience of both patricia sullivan and kim garcia-meza and because of her background in bilingual education, i thought that was going to be a useful, important aspect to have on the committee, on the advisory committee, and i'm familiar with her work as well, so but personally, so i was going to be supporting kim garcia-meza and it's tough because i felt ms. sullivan would be great on the committee as well, and then i was -- based on the work i did with candace wong to create the office of early childhood education, she was part of the planning effort, so i thought i would want to support her for seat 8, sandee blechman for seat 9 and seat 7 is the difficult part, and yes, ms. herrera-autumn has like wonderful experience within the child care setting and to be able to apply to a place where you work directly with students, you work directly with teachers, you work with the families and you also have an understanding of the setting and all the requirements that are in the field as well and that is an incredible per spec