patrick armstrong is with plurimi wealth, and is exceptionally thoughtful of dovetailing the big picture into what to do with capital. let me start narrow, patrick. what is the what to do with capital into 2021? patrick: i think you've got to stick to taking risk. you can't be too conservative because central bank policy is punishing you. you've got inflation swaps showing an upward trajectory. orchids trying to place in -- trying to price in inflation over 2%, and treasury yields well below 1%. so you lose purchasing power by sitting on the sidelines, and i think as long as that stays in place and jerome powell is going to ensure that stays in place, taking risk, getting carrie where you can get it, looking for growth where it is available, those are what you should be focusing on in 2021. lisa: underlying some of those comments is a negative real .ield of -0.15% you are losing money based on inflation. what would have to change with respect to growth, with respect to the economic and in the economic recovery for you to alter your view that this pushes people into risk and rather should