doctor patrick bury. thank _ quick as possible. doctor patrick bury. thank you _ quick as possible.d conditions. let's speak to dan page from the group that represents strange companies across the country. —— train companies. we had aslef on and they said the drivers who worked with you over the past 20 years and really were now facing inflation, a real terms pay cut. isn't that true? it is facing inflation, a realterms pay cut. isn't that true?— cut. isn't that true? it is true. traditionally _ cut. isn't that true? it is true. traditionally speaking, - cut. isn't that true? it is true. traditionally speaking, overi cut. isn't that true? it is true. i traditionally speaking, over the last ten years, we've had some good success rate in sitting down not just with aslef, but all the trades unions and working out a deal that is mutually beneficial, which is why it's so surprising and frustrating that we've not been able to get to that we've not been able to get to that stage here. what we're after, really, are reforms that aren't draconian, that are deliver. we are trying to run more r