not good liers, every time they lie they get exposed, sure, well you make a statement there, patrick hanning, our guest makes a statement there that based on what he said, then therefore he concludes that israel just wants to punish palestinians. now um, that is, that is the that is the question here, why is israel doing that? and uh, one analyst has said that israel commits war crimes by punishing palestinians, because it's not, this is not by design, it's actually by default, that that is what it wants to do. now the question is, why has israel pursued the genocidal war that it has in? this particular war in the form and manner that it has, previous wars, yes, disproportionate, lots of palestinians were murdered, but not to this degree, but this is for patrick hanning, i'm sorry, patrick, go ahead, sure, sure, look, it's it's there, there's obviously vendetta, there's obviously vengeance motive, or at least that's how it's been framed for these. public for the israeli political body as well, for the west that on october 7th that hamas carried out all these various alleged atrocities, behea